Wednesday, March 11, 2009

RSOL - The Why

How a prominent Ware attorney preyed on troubled boys - and why some people in town continue to stand by him.

Joel Pentlarge was a pillar of the community. A lawyer by trade, he built himself a reputation as a civic missionary, donating hour upon hour to Ware’s governmental boards, first as a selectman, then on the conservation commission, where he fought to protect the old mill town’s fragile wetlands and foothills.

Social activism came second nature to Pentlarge, a sign of his pedigree in an affluent New England family. His mother, the late Frances “Effie” Eaton Pentlarge, taught by example: An esteemed member of Maine’s politically progressive circles, Effie Pentlarge crusaded for social justice. In the early- to mid-1990s she helped revive a decades-old political movement to extend civil rights to gay and lesbian Mainers and co-founded Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays in Maine to build bridges between gay and straight people.

Effie Pentlarge’s oldest son also professed a deep concern for social justice. Joel Pentlarge directed his altruism toward down-and-out children and families. The primary beneficiary of the lawyer’s largess was Valley Human Services, a not-for-profit social services agency in Ware that provides a range of support services, including sexual abuse counseling, to low-income clients. Pentlarge not only offered pro bono legal work to the $1.8 million-a-year state-funded agency, he also served on its board for 18 years. He was one of VHS’s most loyal champions and benefactors.

On the side, he took a special interest in young street toughs, boys who had trouble with the law or at school and, quite often, with their families. He employed them as handymen at his various rental properties in town. But more than that, he took them under his wing.

Sure, there were whispers: What did Pentlarge really want with these troubled boys? He was an out gay man, out and proud. When accusations of child molestation surfaced in the mid-1980s, Pentlarge and his friends deflected them by crying prejudice and homophobia. Well-meaning people were intimidated by the insinuation that questioning Pentlarge’s motives was an act of bigotry, that it fed into a detestable stereotype that suggests gays are pedophiles at heart.

But the whispers persisted. By the early 1990s, the volume grew loud enough to reach the ears of the state police. And then, investigators say, the boys themselves balked. They agreed to tell their stories, but hesitated to testify — out of fear and shame and, perhaps, admiration. Or even love.

“He raised children to a level of understanding and respect that all kids want,” said Assistant District Attorney Alex Nappan, who prosecuted Pentlarge last summer on five counts of child rape, sex crimes that began in 1985 and ended in 1998 just before a grand jury returned the first of five indictments against Pentlarge.

“All kids want to be heard and understood,” Nappan said. “Joel respected kids to the point where he gave them the opportunity to make decisions that society doesn’t let them.”

By all outward indications, Pentlarge was unfazed by the state police investigation and others undertaken by the state Department of Social Services and the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers. Despite the heightened scrutiny, the prospect of public disclosure, the danger to his career, Pentlarge continued to pursue boys who needed guidance and money, and to groom them for sex.

For 15 years Pentlarge masked his pedophilia with his professional stature, his social position and civic good deeds, while other pillars of the community stood silently by, largely deaf and blind to his crimes. Pentlarge preyed on some of Ware’s most vulnerable and troubled boys, using money and alcohol — peppered with affection and attention — to extract sex.

That much Pentlarge admitted when he accepted the July 31, 2000, plea agreement that placed him behind bars at MCI Cedar Junction for a mere three to four years, a remarkably light sentence that Judge C. Brian McDonald accepted with great hesitation, insisting the plea agreement was far too lenient for the crimes Pentlarge committed.

Yet for many of Ware’s “substantial citizens” — a term McDonald used at sentencing to refer to Pentlarge’s apologists — any time at all was too harsh a punishment. Nearly a dozen friends, businesspeople, former town officials and, in one instance, a lawyer for DSS, offered their support in writing to the court. Many continue to support him today.

Few crimes elicit a more visceral reaction than child sexual abuse. Yet when we wring our hands and ask, “How does something like this happen?” the best answer may be “How doesn’t it happen more often?” The Pentlarge case demonstrates how easy it is for society to remain blind to child sexual assault, especially when the victims are adolescent boys. It also shows that when the perpetrator is an otherwise upstanding member of the community and his victims are tainted by troubled pasts, it is painfully easy for justice to be denied.

Joel Pentlarge lit on Massachusetts State Police radar screens five years before investigators and the Northwestern District Attorney’s Office were able to collect all the necessary elements of a successful prosecution.

Court records show that as early as 1993 state police had spoken with boys they suspected had been molested by Pentlarge. Investigators say the boys were unwilling to testify, and without cooperative victims who were willing to testify before a grand jury, the state’s case was fatally weak. The rapes continued.

In 1998 investigators got two big breaks. First, State Police Investigator Sgt. Sue Cronin, who declined to be interviewed for this story, uncovered a potentially damaging pair of letters between Pentlarge and long-time friend Tara Lindquist. In the first letter, which Lindquist sent to Pentlarge in May 1984, she inquires about his seeming fascination with adolescent boys. In his June 1984 response, Pentlarge gives a seven-page explanation of why his sexual attraction to minor boys is normal and natural and even morally defensible.

“It reads like a pamphlet for NAMBLA,” Nappan said, referring to the North American Man/Boy Love Association, a controversial organization that promotes the view that sex between adult men and boys is natural and should be decriminalized.

In the letter, which Judge McDonald sealed from public view but quoted from in his sentencing, Pentlarge defends pedophilia and tries to distance himself from the “stereotypical pedophile who uses candy, drugs, force or trickery to garner the sexual involvement of an unsuspecting child unbeknownst to his parents.”

Lindquist had sent copies of the correspondence between her and Pentlarge to DSS. After the agency decided not to pursue a full-fledged investigation, it destroyed the letters, as is standard DSS policy, Nappan said. Sgt. Cronin, who had spent years investigating Pentlarge, knew of Lindquist’s letters to DSS. When Cronin found out Pentlarge’s DSS file had expired, she went to the source. Pentlarge’s friend had kept copies of both letters and turned them over to Nappan.

But the letters alone were of only limited use as evidence in a criminal case in Massachusetts. In his letter to Lindquist Pentlarge did not admit to any specific illegal activity involving any of the boys who eventually testified before the grand jury. Instead, Pentlarge offered a stunningly cogent defense of his sexual interest in minor boys.

Investigators’ next important break came when three boys agreed to add their voices to two others who had already resolved to tell their stories to a grand jury. Together, their stories told a far more comprehensive and compelling story of abuse and detailed a pattern of victimization that had continued virtually unabated from 1985 to 1998. By late 1999 grand juries had handed up five indictments containing the accounts of four different victims who testified that Pentlarge had raped them.

By the time prosecutors officially accused Pentlarge of raping four boys, he all but embodied the stereotypical pedophile he had described in his 1984 letter to Lindquist. Instead of the “candy, drugs, force or trickery” Pentlarge listed as the pathetic lures of the run-of-the-mill pedophile, however, he used attention, affection and hard cash to get what he wanted.

In one account included in court records, two boys explain how, several weeks into a regular gig doing odd jobs for Pentlarge, he called them into an apartment he maintained above his Prospect Street law offices. Then he broke out the rum and Coke.

“Ours were strong. His looked kind of weak,” the boy testified. “We had a good buzz going.”

Pentlarge then asked the boys if they “wanted to earn extra money.”

“Yeah, that’d be cool,” the boy said. “What do we have to do?”

According to the boy’s grand jury testimony, Pentlarge replied, “Would you like to go into the bedroom?”

“When we went into the bedroom things kind of changed,” the boy testified. “We thought at first we would watch him masturbate, but then it was for him to perform oral sex on us.”

One boy who worked for Pentlarge in the early 1990s described during the investigation how after a short stint working for Pentlarge as a hired hand, Pentlarge began asking him to come to his house at night to do work. The boy would return home with between $10 and $100, depending upon what Pentlarge was paying that night for sex. According to court records and interviews with investigators, the boy said his family knew what was going on but sent him back night after night because he was making decent money.

Tommy admits he too did it for the money. But he still considers what Pentlarge did to him rape.

Sex paid better than anything else a teenager could scrounge up in Ware, Tommy, one of the boys who testified before a grand jury, said in an interview with the Advocate. (His name, and the names of any victims referred to in this piece, have been changed to protect their identity.) He said he doesn’t have a stomach for alcohol, so he didn’t drink the rum and Cokes Pentlarge mixed for the other boys. But when you’re 15 and poor, 25 or 50 bucks in your pocket is pretty intoxicating all by itself.

“But I was hoping someone would help us,” Tommy said. “… We had investigators come up to us. We’ve had all kinds of other people come up to us and ask us about Joel. They just didn’t seem like they were interested in what we were telling them. Joel’s got money, you know.”

But things changed for Tommy one night in 1998 when he walked into a room and found Pentlarge with a younger boy, who was dressing frantically. In this boy Tommy saw his own reflection.

“When I saw Nick with Joel that night, that was it,” said Tommy, who started having sex with Pentlarge for money when he was 15 and is now in his mid-20s.

“Nick had no shirt on, Joel was putting his shirt back on and was answering the door. I said, ‘Nick, you’re coming with me.’ I grabbed him and took him to McDonald’s. … When I saw him there with Joel, I felt like I needed to protect [him and the other boys]. Without any question. He would really mess up [the other boys'] lives, too.”

Tommy decided he would cooperate fully with state police investigators and would try to get some of the other boys to join him. Pentlarge’s house of cards began to crumble.

In preparation for trial, which was to begin in mid-July 2000, Pentlarge hired Harry Miles, a skilled and prominent Northampton defense attorney. The boys, who had been looked after by Massachusetts State Police investigators throughout the grand jury inquiry and pre-trial phases, steeled themselves for the painful ordeal of cross-examination.

As victims go, these boys were no angels. The natural sympathy a prosecutor might expect from jurors seated to hear a child rape case could easily have been undermined by the boys’ own misdeeds. Several of Pentlarge’s victims had criminal records. One is now jailed in Vermont. Another was on probation at the time of the trial for sexually assaulting a young child.

On the second day of the trial, before a jury had been empanelled, Pentlarge accepted a plea agreement promising him no more than four years in prison. The plea spared the young victims the ordeal of facing the man who had effectively made prostitutes out of them; it guaranteed the district attorney that Pentlarge would do time; and it put an end to Pentlarge’s 15-year pattern of sexual abuse of Ware’s vulnerable boys and ensured he would remain on probation for life.

The deal also let Pentlarge off easy for a crime the commonwealth considers serious enough to warrant a life sentence. By contrast, one of Pentlarge’s victims, who five years after Pentlarge first raped him turned around and sexually molested two children, faces a more severe sentence for violating probation than Pentlarge received for his entire 15-year string of sexual abuse. The man has not been convicted of any additional crimes; he violated probation by not completing the sexual abuse counseling ordered by the court. In a December hearing in Franklin District Court, he was given one more chance to live up to the terms of his probation. If he fails, he faces five to seven years in prison.

Apparently, no one was more deeply troubled by Pentlarge’s light sentence than Judge McDonald, who clearly considered the three-to-four-year term a slap on the wrist. During a mid-July hearing on sentencing, McDonald scorned both the prosecution and the defense and refused to accept the plea agreement until he felt certain that signing off was not just in Pentlarge’s interest but also in the best interests of his victims. McDonald delayed sentencing to consider the matter.

On July 31 the judge entered a packed Hampshire County superior courtroom prepared to sentence Pentlarge. He had received the Hampshire County Probation Department’s report on the plea agreement assessing its suitability to the crimes. He had heard from the victims’ witnesses, advocates charged with protecting the rights of victims who are randomly dragged down the rabbit hole of the criminal justice system. And he had read the letters he had received from Pentlarge’s supporters — men and women of stature and substance who asked McDonald for mercy, something the 50-year-old attorney himself had never requested.

McDonald sat, held up the handful of those letters and spoke: “In my not so lengthy judicial career, I have not given any case greater consideration and thought regarding a sentencing decision. …

“I am shocked at some of those letters. And they disturb me greatly and make me wonder what is wrong with a society where substantial citizens believe that volunteer work for an airport or an interest in dogs or maintaining low-income residential housing or employing young people should excuse the conduct of Mr. Pentlarge and would justify a sentence that does not involve punishment by incarceration. … In my view it’s worse than naivete. In my view, these letter writers are blind to the crimes committed by the defendant.”

The letters of support were not part of the case file in Hampshire Superior Court, but the Advocate was granted permission to view them after petitioning Judge McDonald.

James P. Thomas, a retired Air Force colonel and a former Ware selectman, is among those who petitioned the judge on Pentlarge’s behalf. Thomas is now president of the Palmer Airport Association and also the CEO of Riverside Aviation Inc., an aviation dealer in Ware. Before Pentlarge’s arrest, Thomas and Pentlarge had worked closely together to preserve the community airport, which was at risk of being shut down.

When Judge McDonald castigated “substantial citizens” for being blind to Pentlarge’s crimes, he held Thomas’ letter, among others, in his hand. The crimes had taken a toll on the community, Thomas wrote. But he wasn’t referring to Pentlarge’s victims: “It would be a great loss to the community and the pilots who depend on us saving the Palmer Airport,” Thomas wrote, “if we lost [Pentlarge's] valuable legal services for a number of years.” In asking for leniency, Thomas mentioned neither Pentlarge’s crimes nor his victims.

“One of my big fears,” wrote Clifford D. Heaton, a Springfield attorney, “is that tenants will stop paying rent and building mortgages will be foreclosed so Pentlarge will lose his only source of income.”

Also among the letters pleading for leniency is one from a lawyer for DSS, Nappan said. The letter was not included in the stack McDonald released to the Advocate; Nappan, however, kept a copy in his files. “The letter from the lawyer for [the child protective agency] basically says, ‘Joel’s a good guy and shouldn’t go to jail.’ After sentencing, this same guy says to law enforcement, ‘I’m ambivalent about my role here.’”

The justifications of the letter-writers and of others interviewed by the prosecution are nothing if not callous in their disregard for the victims. Worse yet, some seem to believe Pentlarge was a “benign” perpetrator.

“How can you say that,” Nappan said, “when this was rape?”

There is a sickening irony in public accounts of the Pentlarge case: Pentlarge’s acts of social beneficence in Ware’s civic affairs and at Valley Human Services not only helped camouflage his crimes but actually enabled him to continue to victimize some of the very people VHS, and social service agencies in general, exist to help.

Investigators say allegations swirled about Pentlarge for years. Neighbors had inklings, teachers raised question, the state police had suspicions. The victims simply never had the standing or credibility or support to make their accusations against Pentlarge stick.

One victim, Tommy, claims he confided in counselors at VHS that Pentlarge was molesting him. He says he spoke with a counselor in the early 1990s. In fact, he says, the counselor initiated the conversation.

“She was a little worried about him herself,” Tommy said. “She had asked me if Joel had ever touched me and I said ‘Yeah, he has.’ I thought we’d talk about it more, but we didn’t get into it in any detail or anything. That was the only time I mentioned it. I really thought they were going to help. Nothing happened.”

Social service agencies, teachers, doctors and other professionals who are responsible for children are so-called “mandated reporters”; if they know a child is being abused, or even have a strong suspicion, they are obliged to file a complaint with DSS. Nappan said he is satisfied that Valley Human Services never withheld information to protect Pentlarge. He said there is no information to suggest that VHS broke the law.

Whether VHS did the right thing is another matter, one that will likely haunt the agency and the community it serves for a long time.

A human services professional familiar with the case said VHS counselors who treated some of the boys noted that some boys’ actions and responses to questions raised serious concerns about sexual abuse. There were suspicions about Pentlarge, the source said, but nothing ever happened because the boys never made a direct accusation.

That fact raises a troubling question for VHS: If state law mandates reporting if there is a suspicion of abuse, why didn’t VHS counselors confide in DSS? The agency’s official response, according to VHS Vice Chairman Kevin O’Regan, is that suspicion is one thing, evidence is another. There simply was no evidence that Pentlarge had done anything wrong.

One of the more troubling aspects of VHS’s association with Pentlarge is that even after the grand jury returned its multi-count rape indictment against Pentlarge, the agency itself took no action against him.

When reached by the Advocate, VHS Director Evie Glickman said she would not discuss Pentlarge. “I’m sure you can understand that this has been a very difficult time for [the agency],” Glickman said. “It’s over and we want to put it behind us.”

When asked what action the agency took against Pentlarge, Glickman acknowledged it had taken none. Pentlarge took a leave of absence in 1998 after the first indictment was handed up. When it was clear in the fall of 1999 that the DA’s office wanted to prosecute, Pentlarge resigned.

As an agency whose primary mission it is to protect and lift up the most vulnerable members of society, VHS failed. Not solely because it never saw the warning signs in one of its own, but also by remaining silent even after Pentlarge admitted he raped some of VHS’s own clients.

“Pentlarge was pretty clever,” said David Heinlein, who represents one of the boys who are seeking damages in two separate civil suits against Pentlarge. (Pentlarge’s lawyer in the civil suit, William Newman, declined to be interviewed for this story and said Pentlarge would not be interviewed either.) “His victims were individuals who had some history in terms of their own personal problems. And he created a he-said, she-said type of situation: ‘I’m Joel Pentlarge and I have a certain stature in this town and who’s going to believe you over me?’

“The second part of his justification was, ‘Even if I did what was alleged, how did I hurt you kids? You have this tainted history. You can’t ever prove that anything I did to you is any worse than what had happened to you in your own lives.’”

VHS’s O’Regan, a U.S. attorney who now heads the Justice Department’s Springfield office, joined the board in 1998, about a year before Pentlarge resigned in disgrace. O’Regan said an internal review determined that VHS officials knew nothing about Pentlarge that could or should have alerted them to his pedophilic behavior. The VHS board and the agency as a whole, O’Regan said, feel not so much a sense of guilt over Pentlarge as one of violation, an awful realization that one among them had so perversely dishonored the agency’s central mission.

“There has … been a profound effect on the board and on the agency as a whole that someone that it trusted committed such horrible crimes that were so contrary to what we as an agency try to do,” O’Regan said. “We exist to help people who are troubled and vulnerable. The fact that Joel took advantage of troubled children, that he raped them, is deeply disturbing. What Joel did was exploit the vulnerabilities of these kids, and that’s part of what is so disturbing.”

Pentlarge’s oldest victim is nearly 30 now. He could have been a VHS poster child: poor, illiterate, needy. He was 13 when the rapes began. He never learned to read or write, Nappan said. But he can fix almost anything. He now works as a mechanic in Vermont. Every day he wakes up and puts on two layers of clothes. He told Nappan he can’t stand the thought of someone undressing him.

In 1992, when he was 20, he told an investigator with the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers that when he was 15, “he had been forced by [Pentlarge] to have sex at least five times,” according to court files.

BBO investigator Robert Prince said in an interview with the Advocate that he investigated the complaint against Pentlarge and included the boy’s account in his final report to the BBO. But the board took no action against Pentlarge until December 2000, well after he had admitted to his 15-year string of rapes.

Neither Prince nor the BBO, which investigates allegations of professional misconduct by lawyers, will discuss the 1992 complaint against Pentlarge or the board’s inquiry into it. Earlier this month, however, the board disbarred Pentlarge, according to BBO Counsel Daniel Crane. Even so, Pentlarge may apply for reinstatement in eight years, Crane said. If the BBO’s past practices are any indication, Pentlarge stands about an 80 percent chance of practicing in Massachusetts again, according to a recent Boston Globe investigative report. Since 1990, 19 of the 25 lawyers who have been disbarred, forced to resign or indefinitely suspended have been reinstated on request, the Globe reported.

By the time Joel Pentlarge stood before Judge McDonald to hear his sentence, there was virtually no punishment that could make up for the ways in which the system had repeatedly failed his victims. Even after sentencing, justice had not truly been served, at least not in McDonald’s eyes.

“This is not an appropriate sentence for one of the crimes, let alone the five to which he has pled guilty,” McDonald said at sentencing. “And I cannot give the defendant leniency. He does not deserve leniency. He deserves punishment and scorn. …

“His life and the past 15 years have no redeeming value. For 15 years, by his own admission, he was a sexual predator, a child rapist, a molester of young boys.”

McDonald went on to say he had decided to accept the plea bargain out of respect for the victims who had been silenced by the community that held Pentlarge in such high esteem. If the boys, some of whom are now men, preferred to “avoid the public ordeal of testifying,” McDonald said, he would not force them to go to trial and bare their souls.

In retrospect, Tommy said, he wishes the judge had.

“[Pentlarge] doesn’t deserve three to four years. He deserves the rest of his life,” Tommy said. “He doesn’t even deserve his life, in my opinion. But, I don’t know, I’m not the judge.”

Pentlarge’s thoughts and motives are his own. But interviews with both his victims and his defenders and information contained in court documents and letters written on his behalf, help sketch a rough picture of him, a portrait of a man who had convinced himself that his sexual escapades, though likely to be misunderstood by the majority, were perfectly normal, or at the very least, defensible. If Pentlarge ever thought of himself as a perpetrator, he likely considered his acts “benign.”

“Some people still think we railroaded Joel,” Nappan said. “There’s still this big, unresolved issue for a lot of people. Joel broke the law, that’s clear. But what actual harm did he do? Joel would say he offered a safe, loving environment for kids from disenfranchised families. I don’t think Joel thinks he did anything wrong, but he certainly knows he did something illegal.” *

Boys Don’t Tell:
Why sex crimes against young males are tough to crack

Amassing evidence against Joel Pentlarge was relatively light work for state police and the district attorney compared to what it took to get his adolescent boy victims to testify that he had raped them.

Surveys of adults conducted over the past 20 years suggest that adolescents are the victims in 90 percent to 95 percent of all sex crimes against males, according to research conducted by the University of New Hampshire’s Crimes Against Children Research Center. Men were the perpetrators in 80 percent of the cases.

“There is the stereotypical concept that only women and children get victimized,” said Kenneth V. Lanning, supervisory special agent at the FBI Academy at Quantico, Va., and one of the agency’s top experts on sex offenders. “That’s only because boys who have been sexually victimized don’t talk.”

Lanning was slated to be an expert witness in the Pentlarge case before Pentlarge forfeited his right to a trial last July and accepted a lenient plea agreement that put him in jail for just three to four years.

One of the FBI’s leading experts on child sexual abuse, the recently retired Lanning is an alumni of both the Behavioral Science Unit that was creepily immortalized in Silence of the Lambs and the elite Missing and Exploited Children Task Force. In more than three decades tracking society’s most monstrous predators, Lanning had witnessed the “worst of the worst.” He understands perpetrators’ basic motives and methods; he knows their mind games.

Perpetrators exploit children’s’ weaknesses. The children in these cases are typically not 4-, 5- or 6-year-olds but young teenagers with complicated lives. Add poverty or family dysfunction, as was the case with most of Pentlarge’s victims, and the perpetrator’s leverage increases.

“Most kids get into this for the attention,” Lanning said. “For some there’s material gain, money, presents. And in some cases, there may even be enjoyment of the sexual activity. We don’t like to say that; we don’t like to admit that. … But that’s the truth, even though it’s almost the forbidden thing to say.

“There is no human being on the face of the earth who is easier to seduce into sexual activity than an adolescent boy,” Lanning said. “What’s the difference between seducing an adult woman and an adolescent boy?” Lanning asked abruptly. It’s a rhetorical question: “It’s about a thousand times easier to seduce a boy.”

Boys are intensely interested in sex and are actively exploring their sexuality; they are easily aroused and also sexually naïve. They are rebels with raging hormones. Because of these factors, Lanning said, teenage boys are often the targets of pedophile seduction.

But the numbers don’t show it.

Cases in which adolescent boys are the victims are among the most difficult to crack. Primarily because the stigma against homosexuality is so great, boys who are raped don’t talk — not solely out of shame or self-loathing or the simple impulse to wish it all away; boys don’t tell because they recognize, quite correctly, that society does not understand what happened to them, how they were seduced, and most pointedly, how they could let it to happen to them.

All kids crave attention, affection and kindness. What the perpetrators do in pursuit of their victims is nothing more and nothing less than seduction, Lanning said. “If this kind of activity was between two teenagers or two adults, it would be called dating,” Lanning said. “There’s a big difference, though, when this is occurring between a child or teenager and an adult, of course, because children can’t give consent.”

Pedophiles like Pentlarge are the “elite” of child molesters: men who are smart and likeable, with the kind of traits and habits human resource types call “good interpersonal skills.” And most perpetrators, Lanning said, need every ounce of sophistication and savvy to keep their house of cards from collapsing.

“Listen, have you ever tried to have sexual relationships with two, three, four people at a time? This is a delicate balancing act,” Lanning said. “These kinds of perpetrators have a lot to juggle. In the end, most of them end up making some kind of stupid mistake.”

– JoAnn DiLorenzo

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Tuesday, March 10, 2009

RSOL - The How

Ken Lanning:

There are also several organizations in this country and around the world that
openly voice a far different attitude about adult sex with children. The Rene Guyon Society, North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), Pedophile Information Exchange (PIE), Child Sensuality Circle, the Pedo-Alert Network (PAN), and Lewis Carroll Collector’s Guild are all examples of groups that at one time or another have openly advocated adult-child sex and changing the laws that make it a crime. These groups usually restrict their advocacy to “consenting” sexual activity with children and claim to be opposed to forced sex with children. Such groups move in and out of existence as active members come and go, but the attitudes persist.

In spite of the attention that many of these organizations have received in the past, it is doubtful that they have had any significant impact on public opinion in general within the United States. Their greatest threat to society, other than the criminal acts of individual members, is as a source of support and validation for child molesters and pedophiles. These groups and the material they publish help child molesters justify their behavior. Many pedophiles are openly proud of their behavior. In her outstanding article, “The Indignant Page: Techniques of Neutralization in the Publications of Pedophile Organizations,” Dr. Mary De Young identifies the three neutralization techniques of such pedophiles as denial of injury (no harm done to child victim); denial of the victim (child deserved or brought on the behavior); and appeal to higher loyalty (insistence that behavior serves the interests of a higher principle such as liberation of children or artistic freedom) (De Young, 1988). To some extent the Internet has made such groups obsolete. One no longer needs to join NAMBLA to get active validation for a sexual attraction to children. People can go on the Internet anytime of the day and find hundreds of others willing to actively validate their commonly held perverted interests.

Interestingly a few academics, mental-health professionals, and sexologists express similar views. These so-called “experts” on human sexual behavior sometimes equate the existing laws that prohibit sex with children with laws that prohibit masturbation, fornication, and homosexuality. They advocate changing the laws so that children can choose their sexual partners freely, but under the guise of children’s rights and freedom.

Reform Sex Offender Laws Campaign 2007

  1. Abolish all provisions of state and Federal sex offender registries that publicly shame offenders.
  2. Abolish all life-time civil commitment for sex offenders who have completed prison sentences and/or parole and probation.
  3. Stop public vilification and demonization of sex offenders. Children should be defined as persons under the age of puberty.
  4. De-criminalize all consensual sexual activities among teenagers.
  5. Abolish all laws that provide the death penalty or life in prison without parole for sex offenders.
  6. Support broad sex education for children, and empower them to make their own decisions and stand up for their rights.
  7. Provide accurate information and support valid research about sex offender characteristics and recidivism rates
  8. Help sex offenders re-enter society by abolishing measures which make it difficult for them to find a place to live and a decent job.

A CALL TO SAFEGUARD OUR CHILDREN AND OUR LIBERTIES 1998

Subject: AUT: A Call to Safeguard Our Children and Our Libreties

* From: Chris
* Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:15:05 -0700 (PDT)

A CALL TO SAFEGUARD OUR CHILDREN AND OUR LIBERTIES {This is the statement of an informal group of Boston-area educators, health workers, criminal justice workers and other community activists. This statement is circulated to individuals and organizations to initiate discussion, and for additional signatures. It is hoped that others will endorse this call, or will formulate their own statement, tailored to their own communities.} As people concerned about children’s welfare and a just society, we speak out against the troubling direction of current campaigns to protect children from vaguely defined sexual dangers by criminalizing and scapegoating a wide range of people and behaviors. These approaches often ignore the realities of childhood and adolescent sexuality and they sometimes equate affection with violence. They distract us from the problem of far more serious forms of violence against children and young people. They erode essential freedoms for everyone. Current hysteria is so pervasive that anyone who suggests a more thoughtful discussion risks being branded a child abuser. To truly protect children as well as empower them to be themselves, and to protect a free society, we insist on a more sensible and compassionate approach.

The real challenge is to support and expand programs for children and youth
which develop caring, loving, thoughtful, whole human beings. Among these are day care, after-school care, sex positive sex education, and better training and pay for those who work with children. The aim of all these programs should be to empower young people to learn to make their own decisions about their lives. Children and youth need to view themselves not as potential victims, but as part of a community which supports and nurtures them, encouraging them to speak up and act responsibly on their own beliefs. We want children to love life, not fear it. If this is to happen, there must be adults courageous enough to demand an honest and constructive approach to sex and youth and to call for an end to the prevailing hysteria. Only then will we be able to safeguard the liberties we all need to develop fully.

SIGNED: Dr. Richard Pillard, psychiatrist; Paul Shannon, educator; Cathy
Hoffman, peace activist; Chris Tilly, economics professor; Marie Kennedy, community planning professor; Eric Entemann, mathematics professor; Tom Reeves, social science professor; Bob Chatelle, writer & anti-censorship activist; and Jim D’Entremont, playwright & anti-censorship activist; Ann Kotell, health worker; Carol Thomas, social justice and religious activist;
French Wall and Bill Andriette, gay writers and editors; Nancy Ryan, feminist activist; Reebee Garofalo, popular culture professor; Dianne McLaughlin, community & criminal justice worker; John Miller, economics professor; Molly Mead, urban social planning professor; John MacDougall,
sociology professor; Laurie Dougherty, social science researcher & editor; Monty Neill, educator & political activist; Rev. Margaret Hougen & Rev. Edward Hougen; Roswitha and Ernest Winsor, criminal justice advocates; Paula Westberg, teacher; Rosalyn Baxandall, American Studies professor & community activist (New York); and others…
For information, call Paul Shannon at (617) 497-5273; or email Chris Tilly
at chris_tilly@xxxxxxx

Bill Andriette:

1991 September: Bill Andriette, editor of the North American Man-Boy Love Association’s NAMBLA Newsletter and affiliate of Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia in his Playboy article, “Are You A Child Pornographer?” warned, “The Feds have now also criminalized a range of images that no one could possibly view as harmful to society or to children.” Playboy concealed Andriette’s pedophilia and said only that he was “features editor of The Guide, a Boston-based gay magazine”

1992 March: Playboy again describes pedophile Lawrence Stanley as a child abuse expert. Andriette, Petersen and Stanley cite each other in seeking to reverse the US. vs. Stephen A. Knox child “panty pornography” conviction. Petersen in Playboy conceals Stanley’s and Andriette’s pedophilia, warning: “When the government looks at [Knox's] innocent material with a pedophile’s eyes, justice suffers” (p 46). A year later Attorney General Reno asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse Knox.

An age-blind society is not the goal; one in which a person’s age does not radically affect the way he or she is treated is. The differences between a seven-year-old and a 37-year-old are too great not to be articulated in social policy. Age restrictions on motor vehicle operations or voting rights should be tolerated. To let drivers be of any age would expose people to a probable danger. To leave voting unrestricted would be putting forth a woefully attenuated definition of citizenship in which the voter’s duties could be carried out without even the guidance of much experience.

But society has erred on the side of restriction in its dealing with youth. A view of children as something less than human has been the backdrop to a host of oppressive measures that have showed neither young people nor adults at their best. Any improvement demands not just the humanization of childhood, but a shift toward a rational and just society.

from NAMBLA JOURNAL SIX (1983), Pgs. 6-7.

From the Jeffrey Curley wrongful death lawsuit:

Working in Massachusetts, Andriette served as the editor of the Bulletin and Gayme Magazine. He did not act alone but rather under the supervision of the Steering Committee in producing these publications and in holding himself out as a NAMBLA spokesman. In addition to the financial support and supervision provided by the full Steering Committee, the content of the Bulletin was guided by the “Bulletin Collective,” an editorial board comprised of NAMBLA members from across the country who contributed and edited articles, screened photos and pictures, and participated in coordinating the production and distribution of the publication. In sum, there is ample support in the record for the conclusion that the financial, political, legal, and public outreach activities of NAMBLA, Zymurgy, Inc., the Bulletin, Ariel’s Pages, and Gayme Magazine were managed by NAMBLA’s Steering Committee to further the organization’s purposes.

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Monday, March 9, 2009

RSOL - The Who

WEB RSOL - National Website [001]
Contact Name: Paul Shannon
Email: pshannon@reformsexoffenderlaws.org
Website: *http://reformsexoffenderlaws.org
Telephone: 617-497-5273
Address: (care of) Indochina Newsletter 2161 Mass. Ave. Cambridge MA 02140

Reform Sex Offender Laws is a project dedicated to raising awareness about the consequences of sex offender laws and working towards changing them for the better.

TX Texas Voices [002]
Contact Name: Mary Sue Molnar, Vickie Devore
Email: marysueintx@yahoo.com,txmom4solreform@yahoo.com
Website: *http://www.txvoices.com
Telephone:
Address: POB 23539, San Antonio, 78223

Texas Voices has a powerful group of organizers. They have held one face-to-face Texas-wide meeting with dozens of participants, and numerous conference calls. They have a systematic lobby effort under way, as well as a campaign for public education, with letters to editors and responses to particularly outrageous cases of injustice. They are growing rapidly, and they have also provided help for organizing efforts in other states.

TN Tennessee Voices of Reason [003]
Contact Name: David Dyess
Email: time4change08@yahoo.com
Website: *http://tn-voices-of-reason.com
Telephone: 423-591-0149
Address: POB 656, Lafayette, TN 37766

Dedicated To The Reform or Abolition Of Current Sex Offender Registry Laws, To Present Viable And Lasting Solutions For The Prevention Of Sexual Abuse Within The State of Tennessee, And To Offer A Network Of Support For Families Affected By The Sex Offender Registry.

MA Massachusetts Citizens Working for Reform [004]
Contact Name: Joel Pentlarge
Email: joelpent@comcast.net
Website:
Telephone: 617-390-5397
Address:

The Massachusetts Citizens Working for Reform group initiates effective lobbying at the State House, and small discussion meetings meet now and then to discuss how best to work for sex offender registry reform. Quite a few of the 50+ RSOL participants have been working for change in Massachusetts law. Paul Shannon, the national RSOL contact, also meets with us. We urge any Massachusetts citizen to contact us!

NH New Hampsire RSOL Support [005]
Contact Name: Laurie Peterson
Email: cursor@eprci.com
Website: *http://cursor.eprci.com
Telephone:
Address:

The New Hampshire folks have successfully lobbied to amend some of the worst features of the Adam Walsh Act proposals for their state. They have also worked at the city level in Nashua and elsewhere to keep draconian residency requirements from being made into city ordinances.

LA Citizens for Legislative Change, Louisiana [006]
Contact Name: David
Email: info@cfcamerica.org
Website: *http://www.cfclouisiana.org
Telephone:
Address:

The purpose of CFC LOUISIANA is six fold.
1. Protect Our Children and Family Members by putting a stop to these
draconian laws.
2. Spread the fact that We, a group of Failthful Americans can make a
difference in the lives of those who are harmed by these idiotic sex
offender laws.
3. Gather Workers: Our websites are in place to enable those in every state
of America to come together in a common cause.
4. Work to Abolish the Laws that are both unconstitutional and which harm
the men, women and children of America.
5. Help to get those politicians and lawmakers who get ignorant legislation
passed, moved out of office.
6. Supply a place where anyone can come to find information, share
information needed to fight these unconstitutional laws.

NC North Carolina Sexual Offenders Reform Troops (NC-SORT) [007]
Contact Name: Linda
Email: LCANADA777@AOL.COM
Website:
Telephone:
Address:

North Carolina Sexual Offenders Reform Troops (NC-SORT) supports continuing education with the general public to help reduce the fear tactics that have been used for so long. NC-SORT agrees with TEXAS VOICE and supports the prevention of child sexual abuse through carefully structured laws that target violent, forced, and/or dangerous predatory acts of sex against children

OK CITIZENS FOR CHANGE OKLAHOMA [008]
Contact Name: Mary Duval
Email: rickyslife@windstream.net
Website: *www.cfcoklahoma.com
Telephone: 918-575-7318
Address: P.O. Box 1185
Westville, OK 74965

The goal of Citizens for Change Oklahoma is to offer a network of support for former registered offenders and their families, as well as education for prevention of sexual abuse. We work together to educate the public through speaking, publications and pamphlets that will inform the citizens of Oklahoma the true facts regarding former offenders, and the laws which are doing more harm then good for Oklahoma’s children. Please join us as we fight to bring the registry back to its original purpose: for the most dangerous offenders, and only in the hands of the police.

OR Oregon RSOL [009]
Contact Name: Shelley Ledbetter
Email: shelley_led@hotmail.com
Website:
Telephone: 541-276-6025
Address: P.O. Box 1857
Pendleton, OR 97801

The Oregon Affiliated State group is just starting and is in great need of some volunteers. The group’s main focus is on repealing “Measure 11″ (mandatory minimum sentencing for certain crimes, no deviation by the Judge, no credit for good time, no programs available while incarcerated).

FL Florida RSOL [0010]
Contact Name: Luis A. Mariscal Jr
Email: loumariscal@gmail.com
Website: Loumariscal@gmail.com
Telephone: Cell: 352-617-5595 - Res: 352-821-2161
Address: 14355 S.E 151 Place Road
Weirsdale, Florida 32195

Our Florida organizer, Luis, is looking for volunteers. Please contact him.

OH Ohio ConstitutionalFights [0011]
Contact Name: Mark
Email: constitutionalfights@yahoo.com
Website: *www.constitutionalfights.org
Telephone:
Address:

Ohio ConstitutionalFights is the Ohio contact for
-Reformsexoffenderlaws.org, which is dedicated to public education and
lobbying to reform existing sex offender laws, especially punitive
portions of the sex offender registry and civil commitment laws. The
purpose of our group, and the website, is to inform Ohio and United
States citizens
of Constitutional abuses by our elected officials and politicians. We
will be silent no longer. We will hold these elected officials
accountable for trampling our Constitutional Rights! We especially
oppose Ohio Senate Bill 10, also known as the ¨Adam Walsh¨ law. The law
imposes retro-active restrictions and requirements on sex offenders.
Imposing new retro-active punishment on them constitutes a violation of
the Ohio and U.S. Constitutions with regard to double jeopardy and ex
post facto provisions. We urge all Ohio citizens to join us in fighting
these and other such unConstitutional Ohio laws!

CA Californians for Common Sense Sex Offender Laws [0012]
Contact Name: Linda G. or Ingrid H.
Email: edh_advocates@live.com
Website: Under Construction
Telephone:
Address: RSOL-California/3450 Palmer Drive/Ste 4-137/Cameron Park, CA 96682

To provide an advocacy group in California for the nation-wide effort to reevaluate, revise, and/or repeal sex offender laws that have grown increasingly irrational and excessive.

MO RSOL Missouri [0013]
Contact Name: Dean
Email: cdsnack@comcast.net
Website:
Telephone:
Address:

RSOL Missouri’s main focus is on working with State Legislators regarding “sex offender” laws. If you are from Missouri and are willing to dedicate some of your time as a volunteer for our cause, please contact Dean at “cdsnack @comcast.net”.

IL RSOL Illinois [0014]
Contact Name: Margaret ‘Margie’ Furlong
Email: snapper1964@hotmail.com
Website:
Telephone:
Address:

Providing a voice for Illinois…..
For centuries, our society has always targeted a group of people to hate. They have included Hebrews, Christians, Jews, Blacks and Homosexuals. In the 2000’s, it’s the sex offenders.
The antediluvian laws and the rules and regulations of the IDOC need to be reformed as the only thing they accomplish in doing is making life for a registered sex offender wretched. These laws and regulations do little or nothing to protect our children. Let’s band together in Illinois and see if we can make a difference!

GA Georgians for Sex Offender Registry and Residency Restriction Reform [0015]
Contact Name: Kelly R Piercy
Email: gasoem@gmail.com
Website: http://www.gasorr.org/
Telephone: (706) 955 2009 OR Skype: kelly.ray.piercy
Address:

Georgians for Sex Offender Registry and Residency Restriction Reform is working to present verifiable facts and truth about the dangers posed to the community by sex offenders. It is our goal to give you the facts instead of myth and hysteria. It is time for you to help us make laws and take steps that will protect our communities from the scourge of sex crimes and prevent more victims. Our goal is to stop the waste of money and resources on ineffective and unnecessary laws designed to get votes instead of address the problem.

ME Maine Citizens For Constitutional Justice [0016]
Contact Name: Matthew
Email: mainersol@yahoo.com
Website:
Telephone:
Address:

A voice for Maine citizens to effectively challenge the unconstitutionality of current sex offender laws.


At the national level, our newly expanded administrative team -

Joel Pentlarge of MA, Laurie Peterson of NH, and Mary Sue Molnar of Texas, as well as Paul Shannon, our webmaster, plus Alain Levesque and myself - has begun to take on new tasks and to work together. We are now set for our first conference call in early October, and we will consider suggestions made by many of you.

MD Maryland Citizens For Sex Offender Justice [0017]
Contact Name: Sandra Dee Kennedy
Email: sdk5460@yahoo.com
Website:
Telephone: 302-344-7792
Address: 33250 Old Ocean City Rd,
Parsonsburg, MD 21849

Maryland Citizens For Sex Offender Justice advocates the following:

1. To educate MD public and state government on the sex offender facts vs fiction. (Currently, there is the mentality of “once a sex offender, always a sex offender” “No woman or child is safe”)

2. Propose a new MD Registry that categorizes between Adult Sex Offenders and Child Sex Offenders with sub-categories of risk:
Alerts: Non-compliant/absconders
High Risk: Those with convictions from present to 5 years
Medium risk: Those with convictions of less than 5 years to 10 years
Low Risk: Those with convictions greater than 10 years
(Currently, Maryland state registry lists all sex offenders under the “Child Sex offender registry” with no categories. There are those who have 20- 30 year old convictions on the registry and you are classified as to the level of violence of your conviction)

3. Be Pro-active on laws/bills introduced that the group deems unfair/idiotic/draconian. (Take for instance: the SORNA law within the state of Maryland is not retroactive and does not apply to convictions prior to 1997 yet many sex offenders are being arrested for not abiding by SORNA; residency laws, computer registration laws, GPS laws, Special license plate laws)

4. Be a support for sex offenders who are attempting to get on with their lives, and their wives, children and families.

5. Lobby for a bill that would give tax credits to businesses that hire ex-convicts, including sex offenders. (Such major businesses in the state of Maryland as Perdue, Pepsi, Coke will not hire anyone with a conviction. They protect themselves by stating “will consider” but in all actuality do not hire.)

NM RSOL New Mexico [0018]
Contact Name: Alice Benson
Email: madalleyreport@aol.com
Website:
Telephone:
Address: PO Box 2376, Tijeras, NM 87059

Goals for NM:
1. Contact all interested registered sex offenders, parents, family members who would want to help us.
2. Change laws which label non-violent offenders as threat to the community.
3. Change parole laws which retry and persecute those who have already paid their debt to society.
4. Provide assistance to released sex offenders that we believe want to make a drastic change in their lives. For one time offenders we hope to pay one month rent upon release from prison and assist them in finding a place to live and a job.

RSOL New Mexico’s state organizer Alice Benson is part of a non-profit group called Titus House (no house at present) which visits, corresponds with and approves of candidates for this program.

AL Alabama Citizens 4 Change [0019]
Contact Name: Anthony O.
Email: al4change@yahoo.com
Website:
Telephone: 256-572-6155
Address: P.O Box 905 Albertville, AL 35950
 
Alabama Citizens 4 Change primary purpose is the education of the public and continued movement to reform the existing State Sex Offender Legislation to laws that differentiate between offenders. In accomplishing these goals, we believe society will be better served and safer. The laws of today employ no common sense tactics and are costing tax payers millions. We believe the public is largely uneducated regarding this issue and therefore most laws were created by politicians and fueled by p anic and myths and spread through today’s mass media. The truth needs to be told and changes must be made.
We encourage any citizens who are interested in the truth of this issue to join this effort. In today’s environment, there are many individuals that are being affected by this legislation. In addition to the many Former Sex Offenders affected are the families behind them. We encourage families to join the effort and begin to take a stand against these laws that are too broad and all encompassing.
Our upcoming efforts will include:
1. Contact as many Former Sex Offenders and their families as possible to increase the effort of the group.
2. Educate the public through sustained efforts of circulating factual information via various media outlets, mass mailings etc.
3. Begin a speaking campaign for the sole purpose of educating the legal community. Targets will include: Police Agencies, Law Schools, and District Attorney’s Offices etc.
4. Begin a sustained campaign for our State Legislators designed to provide education and lobby for change.
5. The charter of this association will be Education and Differentiation.
 
NY RSOL New York [0020]
Contact Name: Jennifer Ferreira
Email: rsolny.contact@gmail.com
Website: soon to come
Telephone:
Address:
 
Reform Sex Offender Laws NY is an affiliate of Reform Sex Offender Laws, a National Organization dedicated to establishing laws that will effectively reduce sex crime. We are an organization of volunteers working together to inform the public of the injustices done to sex offenders and their families, and to educate the public about the truth through facts and statistics regarding those convicted and their crimes. The current federal and state laws do not protect the children of our country. Our goal is to change the attitude in society about sex offenders and teach people the truth regarding child sexual abuse in order to encourage a change in the laws to better protect our children from abuse. We intend to do this by holding open and frank discussions on the issues to encourage New York State legislators and residents of New York State to rethink the fear driven laws that are in place in this state and in this country.
 
PA Pennsylvania RSOL [0021]
Contact Name: Teresa Hull
Email: tch_freedom09@yahoo.com
Website:
Telephone:
Address:
 
Pennsylvania RSOL beleives that any crime that has been committed does hold its punishments, but the punishment has to fit the crime, which is very often not the case when it comes to crimes of a sexual nature.

We believe that these injustices need to be condemned and these laws
changed, and we invite all Pennsylvania citizens who agree with us to join our cause.
 

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Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Weasel in the Hen-House

letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member
*
Re: Weasel in the hen-house « Reply #8 on: Today at 09:32:18 AM »

Here are the one’s that I observed. I didn’t post anyone who’s membership is 30 days or less and I didn’t post anyone who hasn’t visited 7 days or longer. There were no 6 and 7 “days ago.”

 rewdiazepam - rewdiazepam@nationsnetwork.net 68.91.142.185 Today

 theparson - dhess@rochester.rr.com 66.67.217.225 Today

 jrgregg  - jrgregg43@bellsouth.net 75.89.211.219 Today

 SC  - hbr509@yahoo.com 74.233.254.213 Today

 trailblazing4u - trailblazing4u@yahoo.com 71.238.208.170 1 day ago

 randim - rmichaels1955@yahoo.com 69.130.159.95 1 day ago

 emsbrat - emsbrat@verizon.net 66.65.223.45 1 day ago

 skeeter - cecilykaye@gmail.com 65.73.86.249 1 day ago

 sos_boston - boston_sos@yahoo.com 209.6.236.132 1 day ago

 My Sons Mom - wrongfullaw@gmail.com 69.140.255.249 3 days ago

 jeff4hope - jeff4hope@yahoo.com 212.112.242.89 4 days ago

 DDMariana - DDMariana0531@yahoo.com 66.245.52.136 5 days ago 0
 
 kc200gf - kc200gf@hotmail.com 66.182.222.81 5 days ago 0

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
*

Quote from: static on May 08, 2008, 10:56:12 PM Didn’t this guy get banned or deleted a while back? If so, then maybe there was a reason…

He is still a member. Name: rewdiazepam Posts: 0 (0 per day) Position: Member IP: 68.91.142.185 Hostname: 68-91-142-185.ded.swbell.net Karma: 0 Date Registered: December 04, 2007, 09:43:05 PM Last Active: Today at 11:04:27 PM

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Sosen’s Support for Rewdiazepam

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
*

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

lindape54
   
    
RED FLAG HELP

« on: May 08, 2008, 09:16:08 PM »   

Ok Guys   I just got this in my personal email. Remember this is one of the people we were wary of when we increased our security…. I cannot find this guy on the  OK SOR

Ralph Wilburn
to lindape1ster@gmail.com

dateThu, May 8, 2008 at 9:42 PM
subjectRSO Collateral Damage Study
mailed-bynationsnetwork.net

Linda,
 
Please send me the link for the RSO Collateral Damage Study.  I am a member of SOSEN, and we all need to take this survey so it can get published.  I live in Oklahoma and you probably remember me when I raised hell with the Department of Public Safety and the local tag office over the Oklahoma driver’s license when we were using the old yahoo boards.
 
Thank You,
 
Ralph Wilburn
rewdiazepam@nationsnetwork.net

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Sunday, November 2, 2008

This stays in staff

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member
   
This stays in staff
« on: Today at 10:20:22 AM »
   
New Personal Message: It’s me NOP_Christine

Linda,

Hi, Linda.  It’s me, NOP_Christine, but I wanted you to know that I’m here - and if you need, you can share that with people you KNOW here.  Not all of even the SOhopeful members know this as one of my alternate names, so if it could be kept between you and I and a couple of Board members, as necessary, I would be grateful.  I want to be sure that the SOhopeful folks land relatively softly.  That is my actual purpose for being here at this time.  When I originally signed up here, I was considering already leaving SOh for other reasons, which will become clear down a couple of paragraphs from here.

We didn’t refer people here because PetraLuna/AZ and their ilk have targeted ROAR and SOSEN next (and apparently Cheryl specifically), and I couldn’t refer our folks to somewhere that they would be coming under immediate attack, particularly in view of tsand/bcu/John J’s impersonation of Zman in the comments section of that one news item out of NW Florida (not to mention his obvious release of information to the reporter).  You should know that eAdvocate thinks that SOSEN released the info on the problems within SOhopeful to the press, but we of the BOD did not believe that, and I think everyone involved with both organizations saw the flame war that occurred in the comments section of that article as of last night.  Tsand/bcu/John J or whatever his name is in any given moment is choosing to pick on one of our more reactive members over at SexOffenderAlliance’s forum, but I doubt that will continue for very long.  Metanoid is a good admin and I’m sure that he will make the offensive individual aware of the proper protocols and take any other necessary action to quell any flaming.

The arrested former Exec Dir of SOhopeful had everything of SOhopeful’s attached to himself - sole signatory on bank account, sole incorporator in the end, etc.  Ultimately, shutting down the forum and the front page (and the corporation to the extent possible) were the only ways to prevent any potentially illegal activity from continuing behind the scenes, including the very real possibility of questionable donations through the paypal page.  Carolyn had resigned (I don’t know if you got a chance to see that - her family is in desperate need of her attention), and the remaining women (and ultimately theparson too) didn’t believe it to be appropriate, especially in the current situation, to have another registrant in the Executive Director spot.  Not like we could have done anything anyway, with the corporation tied so tightly and exclusively to Freeman and none of us having any access to any of it.

Freeman had unlimited access to the architecture of our forum, as the Exec.  While I know most of the former offenders who are working hard for reform do not have ill intent, what I have learned is that it really is nearly impossible to know which former offenders are going back into a life of crime and which ones won’t.  The arrested individual had apparently been living a double life for a long time, and none of us had even an inkling.  When I resigned in January, it was over a falling out with him over his lack of willingness to be accountable about the lack of phone number and address (address being necessary in order to receive bank statements and bills).  My original resignation to him had cited my need to focus on my education, but my abrupt premature departure was the result of his vitriolic attacks on me for trying to get him to answer questions that had just been ignored for many months (including Cheryl’s questions about when we would get our 501(c)3 status - which never materialized).

We also don’t know if he was using the behind the scenes of the forum for nefarious purposes.  The potential for that likely problem to continue in some form or other had to be shut off as well.  There were hundreds of user names whose accounts had not been activated, and it certainly appears that Freeman may have been having people sign up for SOhopeful just so that he would have an email address for him.  We have no way of knowing for sure - he was supposed to activate accounts and put people into user groups.

I am trusting that you see that most of this information really does have to be kept fairly close to the vest.  I have tried to explain to people who have emailed me as much as I can without causing any undue panic.

I think the most painful part of all of this is that the AZ/PJ people were right about one thing - active offenders were/are insinuating themselves into groups where sincere people do have child safety at their core message, and using us for cover.  I don’t think any of the groups are immune, and I don’t know what anyone would do about that.  None of the groups have real good screening processes (criminal background checks and the like) for leadership positions.  (Freeman apparently had a far more extensive criminal history than just his one sex conviction - much of it violent in nature.)  The one thing I know I won’t ever do again is be in a leadership position of any organization where a registrant is at the top of the food chain, as unfortunate as that is as it regards registrants who really are working at living rightly and legally.  And, for the next few years, I have to focus all my attention on my education so that I can create a treatment program that actually works for folks like our family members, whose victims were family members and where reconciliation is both desired and capable of being done safely.

I hope that explains what’s happening.  I know that’s a lot of inside stuff, but I felt like you, as the head of SOSEN, deserved to know as much of the details as I can give you.

Blessings,
Christine (now a_woman_apart)

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Margie Slagle tried to help the situation - Sosen silenced her

URGENT MESSAGE PLEASE READ

mslagle
Member

URGENT MESSAGE PLEASE READ
RE: Tom Madison
« on: Today at 09:04:24 AM »

Dear SOSEN Members,

As an attorney, one who works diligently both day and night, on appeals for sex offenders in the state of Ohio, I feel compelled to share my feelings on Tom Madison’s performance on the Morning Show with Mike and Juliet on August 18th. After reading the “Bravo Tom” comments in the Mike and Juliet Show thread, I am changing “compelled” to “urgent”.

Tom Madison does NOT represent you. Tom Madison doesn’t even understand what it is like to BE you. He doesn’t now, nor has he ever had to live under the same type of obtrusive laws and restrictions that you and your families face every single day. If you go to the Oregon State Sex Offender Registry and put Tom Madison’s name in the search engine, you will not find him. He is not on the Internet, nor is he subject to community notification. In short, his life has not been affected all that much by his sex offender conviction. He has never been asked to leave his home, or told that he cannot attend functions at his child’s school, or take his children to the swimming pool or park. Tom Madison has no clue what it’s like to be on the registry and all that that entails, yet he succeeded in discrediting the one man who could have raised awareness and helped all of my clients and yourselves by making real changes.

What Tom Madison did on that television program was set me, my clients, and folks like yourself BACK, he did nothing to help the cause. He single-handedly negated all of the hard work we have done to attempt to eliminate these laws. Even worse, he decimated the credibility of the former legislator who accepted sex offenders in his home because of his heartfelt beliefs. Tom Madison completely discredited what Tom Armstrong has done because he became angry, unrepentant, and combative. His ego was definitely showing, once again, just as it did back in December in Ohio, the only difference this time is he definitely kicked it up a few notches.

What he DID do was appear proud to be a sex offender. Tom proclaims to the world in every way he can, including business cards that have “sex offender” written on them, that he IS a sex offender and by all accounts from yesterdays demonstration, an unrepentant one. None of my clients, nor most of the registered sex offenders I have met, are proud of the behavior that landed them on the registry. I know many who were not guilty, but even THAT does not make them proud.

Tom Madison hurts the very people he purports to represent. He needs to check his mouth at the door and stop attempting to speak publically on your behalf. If he doesn’t, the positive changes you all want so badly to come about, will never be realized.

The “angry, pissed off sex offender” persona does nothing but harm, because the general public doesn’t CARE that you are pissed off and angry and they never will, as a matter of fact they ENJOY having the knowledge that you ARE angry and miserable. You will not get the results you are looking for with performances like I saw out of Tom Monday morning.

You will know you are successful, that you have made inroads in the battle against these laws when you hear, “Wow, you’ve really given me a lot to think about here, maybe these laws AREN’T working, maybe they ARE doing more harm than good”, out of people who just said to you “I think you should live in the middle of the desert.” You won’t get that by being angry, yelling, or trying to bully the person into seeing things your way. Which is exactly what Tom tried to do.

If you truly care about this cause, and you want these changes to occur, you need to let Tom Madison know that he does NOT speak for you, and that if he can’t speak without having a tantrum, you’d just as soon he shut up.

I love the work that I do. I put more hours into it than there are in a day often times, but I keep going because I see, with my own eyes, every single day what it’s like to have to abide by these restrictive laws. I cannot sit back, while silently watching someone who is supposed to be HELPING you, actually destroy your hopes and dreams of a better future in this country. Every time this man opens his mouth to speak publically, he knocks us back and negates progress that we cannot, that YOU cannot afford to lose. Every minute amount of progress we make is hard fought for, and I’m tired of seeing MY clients, and folks like you hurt by a man who’s ego is the size of Mt. Everest.

What did Tom Madison show the American Public Monday morning?……No,…… he did NOT show them that registered sex offenders are mad as Hell and they aren’t going to take it anymore. He showed them that they are hot tempered, in denial, unrepentant, and VOLATILE, therefore people to be feared. That’s ALL he showed them!!

We cannot afford this. We need to work together to intelligently and calmly educate the misinformed. Not yell at them and point a finger in their faces while telling them they are.

I have every faith that Linda and Jackie will do the right thing by severing all ties with this man and his organization. If they don’t, he will bring SOSEN down with him, and that would be a terrible sight to see.

We can win this battle if we stay strong and true to the cause. I’m with you, and behind you. Never give up.

Sincerely,

Margie Slagle, Attorney
Ohio Juctice and Policy Center

Kinsella
Member

Re: URGENT MESSAGE PLEASE READ RE: Tom Madison
« Reply #1 on: Today at 09:21:10 AM »

Margie I agree with you 100%. Tom lost any chance of having a positive impact for us the second he raised his voice. I don’t know him personally and have never met him, but it does seem like he is proud of his status as a sex offender and if that is true then he does not truly understand what we are going through. I hate to criticize anyone who is fighting for us, but I felt the same way you did after watching that segment. I felt like his anger just confirmed a lot of peoples misconceptions about sex offenders.

LetsGetReal
Member

Re: URGENT MESSAGE PLEASE READ RE: Tom Madison
« Reply #2 on: Today at 09:21:12 AM »

After reviewing the two video clips and conferring with others, I agree with Margie Slagle. I missed several statements due to my anger with FOX. That interview has done a vast amount of damage to all of us.

LetsGetReal
Member

Re: Fox News Mike and Julie show this morning (Monday)
« Reply #33 on: Today at 09:36:46 AM »

——————————————————————————–

After, viewing both videos and conferring with others, I am disassoicating myself and cfcoklahoma from SoClear and Tom Madison.

He does NOT represent ME or the cause.

——————————————————————————–

Posted by Boycott Amazon at 06:27:04 | Permalink | Comments (1) »

Sosen in “Spying on Members” Starring Bond, James Bond ~ Cameo Performance by Static07

billm

lovesstowearhats
I remembered that name from 20/20 article.

From: lovestowearhats To: All 1 of 15Mar-18

My son never even TOUCHED or MET the girl that he is accused of messing around with. It was online CHAT–what do you think of that??? She told my son she was 18 when they met online, and for 18 MONTHS they knew each other and from what I understand she co-erced my son into “bad” chat - not the other way around. She was 15 and my son was 21 (very immature I must say as well, he was addicted to chat, wouldn’t eat, sleep, etc…chatted all the time - not at my home but at his dads). When she finally did tell my son she was “underage” (what a joke I say), it was too late and they were WAY involved at that point but ONLY ONLINE..it was “virtual” for my son. He didn’t even know where she lived!!! He got 3 years prison and sex offender registry and never even met her - that is INSANITY and Louisiana lawmakers need to go to jail for making up such a ridiculous law!!! He’s not a pedophile by any sense of the word, he was a #### young man with a girl wanting to chat with him (constantly begging him) and it turns out there were MORE BOYS she was chatting with but the daddy doesn’t KNOW about those because my son chose to plea bargain because he was facing 50 years prison!!!!! (yep, and never met her!!!)

I will fight until I’m dead - my son did not deserve this, the girl is just as guilty (or more in my opinion for pursuing him and other boys)!!! We need help! My son’s website (he’s still in prison now and will be until 2/12/09) is shocked all of his friends and we’re all saddened such a wonderful “kid” like Eric, could end up in prison and have to register as a sex offender!!!!!!! HELP!!!! we need to all band together and get something done, not sit on our duffs and just talk about it. :)

I was thinking too, about the parents. Where were they for 18 months while their daughter was messing around with so many boys online???? I was told to sue them! Ha! (I will not, but I sure wish they knew about all the other boys! They might have not went to the DA to turn in my son then!) That girl knew EXACTLY what she was doing, don’t tell me the age of consent should be 18, I believe it should be 13 EASILY.

If the laws were in effect when I was growing up, I’d know a HECK of a lot of sex offenders now - it’s INSANE!

-http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ABC2020&tid=16395

billm

488 lovestowearhats lovestowearhats@gmail.com 69.30.190.65

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

490 SOfromMO ritapruitt529@netzero.net 66.218.235.190

Host name: ip-66-218-235-190.rollingmeadows.ip.cablemo.net

Geobytes to Rochester, NY (89%)
IPillions to Scottsdale, AZ

cablemo.net is an ISP in Maryland Hieghts, Missouri (suburb of St. Louis)

google of email returns nothing

google of ritapruitt529 returns 1 hit:
-http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/ritapruitt529/
(confirms Maryland Heights, MO)

66.218.235.190 does not appear to be a rpoxy

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

Quote from: letsgetreal50 on April 27, 2008, 09:48:10 AM
Instead of deleting his account, perhaps we should ban his I.P. He should get the message then. If he has questions, he can e-mail staff.

i have set up a ban on 72.37.141.181

billm

Quote from: lobster1138 on April 28, 2008, 12:21:40 PM
490 SOfromMO ritapruitt529@netzero.net 66.218.235.190

Host name: ip-66-218-235-190.rollingmeadows.ip.cablemo.net

Geobytes to Rochester, NY (89%)
IPillions to Scottsdale, AZ

cablemo.net is an ISP in Maryland Hieghts, Missouri (suburb of St. Louis)

google of email returns nothing

google of ritapruitt529 returns 1 hit:
-http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/ritapruitt529/
(confirms Maryland Heights, MO)

66.218.235.190 does not appear to be a rpoxy

Name: Rita Marie Pruitt
(First Middle Last)
Date of Birth: 05/29/1960

Compliant

Physical Description
Height: 5 feet 05 inches
Weight: 400 lbs
Eye Color: Hazel
Hair Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female

Home Address
Street: 120 Franke Ave
City: Maryland Heights
State: MO
Zip Code: 63043
County: St. Louis

One or more victims under the age of 18
Most Recent Offense: Statutory Sodomy-2nd Deg , More Information

-http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?id=1235952

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

491 stealthbomber31 stealthbomber31@gmail.com 72.37.141.148

72.37.141.148 has no host name

WhoIs info:
———————
OrgName: Bel Air Internet
OrgID: BAI-8
Address: 2934 1/2 Beverly Glen Circle
City: Los Angeles
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 90077
Country: US

NetRange: 72.37.141.0 - 72.37.141.255
———————

Bel Air Internet again… persistent little bugger, eh

same:
jobscreatepeace jobscreatepeace jobscreatepeave@gmail.com 72.37.141.181

i want to set up a ban on this ip range, but i’m curious how many times they’ll try to get in…

i went ahead and rejected them

billm

I am too. Have been watching for him.

Letsgetreal

Do we have a mental case here? Seriously!

It happens!!!!!!!!!!!!

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff

I thought I banned this guys IP

billm

Name: calif55
Posts: 0 (N/A per day)
Position: Member
IP: 72.37.141,148
Hostname:
Karma: 0
Date Registered: April 25, 2008, 10:02:33 PM

i believe the IP address below was the one you banned.

Name: webstuff56
Posts: 16 (0.150 per day)
Position: Member
IP: 72.37.141.181 Hostname:
Karma: 3
Date Registered: November 26, 2007, 02:55:29 PM
Last Active: March 12, 2008, 11:11:29 PM

billm

At one time I used 2 different computers and 2 different cable connections, so had 2 ip addresses.

equal justice

There is a new member comming. She is from Fl. She is going to use Dexter as a screen name.Please approve her ASAP. I have talked to her and she really wants to be an activist.

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

493 tiggeronmv tiggeronmv@netscape.net 76.19.19.9

Host name: c-76-19-19-9.hsd1.ma.comcast.net

Geobytes to Marblehead, Massachusetts (93%) (north of Boston)
IPillions to North Grafton, Massachusetts (west of Boston)

google of email returns nothing

google of tiggeronmv returns 5 hits:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tiggeronmv&btnG=Search

post on way2hope.org family forum:
-http://www.way2hope.org/family-forums/index.php?showtopic=1052

profile for above site:
-http://www.way2hope.org/family-forums/index.php?s=b325b3cfce5c33faa0bee1e87c32bf02&showuser=1164
confirms Massachusetts

76.19.19.9 does not appear to be a proxy

billm

tiggeronmv awaiting approval

-http://www.way2hope.org/family-forums/index.php?showtopic=1052

tiggeronmv

View Member Profile Apr 3 2008, 07:20 AM Post #1
Veteran
Group: Members
Posts: 53
Joined: 8-March 08
From: Massachusets
Member No.: 1,164

To my sexually addicted Brothers and Sisters - who struggle with pornography and the problems it causes in their families,

I have been writing on these forums since the middle of March, but had not shared my own story. I am a sexual addict who is addicted to pornography, but by the grace of God, I have been freed from using it for 196 days today. This, however, is only a portion of my story and because it is so long and covers not only what I have gone through over the past six months but so many things that have shaped my entire life, I will give my story to you in Episodes, small chunks at a time.

Please feel free to write in your own comments as you read the different sections, yet I beg you to withhold your judgment of me till you know more of my story. I try to live daily by my faith and have tried to lend my help along with any good insights that God gives me, to pass on to many of you. I pray that your responses will be of help to me, too. I have been in my second marriage for seventeen years. Now, I am soon to be divorced.

I wrote out my entire story on April 1, 2008, but unfortunately it is not an April Fool’s Day joke.

EPISODE 1: Tiggeronmv - My Addiction, Conviction, and Life with Christ

On September 19, 2007 I was served a restraining order that removed me from our home. My wife stated that I had “inappropriately touched our children”. Our adopted daughter is now seven our adopted son is ten but they were six and nine at the time. I missed Christmas and both of their birthdays this past year. Both of our children were private domestic adoptions and were picked-up directly from the hospitals shortly after they were born. We considered them gifts from God, knowing that even before they had been conceived, He knew that they would be growing up within our family. On September 31st I was charged with sexually assaulting our daughter and on October 19th, I accepted a plea bargain offer, plead guilty, and became a registered sex offender.

During this entire time, I didn’t really understand what my wife was talking about, but did go to three different ministers and the elders of my church. I confessed to them of the one time back in July, that during the middle of the night while checking our daughter to see if she had wet the bed, I DID TOUCH HER on top of her nightgown to see if she was wet. At that moment, I realized that my hand was touching where it was never allowed to be and I quickly pulled it back. I went to the living room to pray about what I had just done. My wife must have heard me praying and then decided that I am a child molester. …

I will share more in the next episode.

In His Service,
Tiggeronmv,

static

This guy needs to be directed to our therapy group- as well as real world therapy- if we let him in. The minimizations in his above post are glaring. If he’s for real, he probably needs the support we can give, but he’ll also need to be monitored so as to avoid posts like this on our forum.

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

494 Rusty cvh269@yahoo.com 66.93.143.82

Host name: mx.barryswensonbuilder.com

Geobytes to Campbell, California (90%) near San Jose
IPillions to San Fransisco, California

google of email returns 1 hit:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cvh269%40yahoo.com&btnG=Google+Search

a post on car parts forum, appears to be someone named ‘Chris H’

66.93.143.82 does not appear to be a proxy, but “mx.barryswensonbuilder.com” is
from an internal network (mx usually means Mail Server, it’s fairly common
to use the mail server as a gateway), probably someone surfing the web at lunch

-http://www.barryswensonbuilder.com/ is a commercial builder in San Jose, California

i checked the logs at sosen.us, this same ip hit every page there this morning
refered by:
-http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=sex+offender+forum&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=141
——————————-

495 bkt kat2703@stjoelive.com 207.192.253.31 May 6, 2008, 12:51:28 PM

Host name: cm-207-192-253-31.stjoseph.mo.npgco.com

Geobytes to St. Joseph, Missouri (99%) north of Kansas City

google of email returns nothing

google of kat2703 returns 10 hits (sort of vague):
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kat2703&btnG=Search

mostly makeup message boards

-http://stjoelive.com is a local community page for St. Joseph, Missouri
by newspaper St. Joseph News-Press
could be a reporter, unsure, all reporter emails are @npgco.com

about the stjoelive.com email address, they have Cheetah webmail, can’t
tell if this is a free service or not

207.192.253.31 does not appear to be a proxy

this same ip hit 8 pages at sosen.us this afternoon,
refered by:
-http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sosen.us&FORM=MSNH

billm

new member info

Intro–VanishNAct from Louisiana
——————————————————————————–
Hi, my name is Jackie, I have a son that has enter the system April 4, 2008. He has a 12 year sentence, all but 2 years suspended with 5 years probation for molestation of a juvenile. It was consensual sex. I am confused, scared, disappointed, pissed off. I started doing research online when I discovered this site a week ago and I am so thankful for its existence. It has been a big help already, but I know that I need more help. My feelings are still very raw on the subject and at times all I want to do is scream. I hope to meet new friends and hopefully I can offer support to others in need. I think I have found the best place on the web for support, encouragement and information!

-http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=836dc68e6f812c3f752cb6f50c0785e4&t=332503

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

499 wifeinct wifeinct@yahoo.com 69.177.41.81

Host name: 69.17.41.81.adsl.snet.net

Geobytes to Danbury, Connecticut (99%)

google of email and wifeinct returns nothing

69.177.41.81 does not appear to be a proxy

i got a returned email when they registered:
554 delivery error: dd This user doesn’t have a yahoo.com account (wifeinct@yahoo.com)
i think they mis-typed the email

billm

mgary1963@yahoo.co.uk

Date: Monday 5th May

Hello
I am a reasonably Fit, Normal build guy who has never been in a relationship long term and hopes to find Friendship and eventually companionship long term with the right guy.

I look after myself physicaly, but not overly so, straight acting…and I am not that experienced, but willing to learn with the right guy. The Gay scene is not for me but I enjoy life and my own home.
If your 18 yrs to 45 yrs old & attractive, thin to normal build and sincerely interested in forming a loving relationship with a kind & caring man please apply. My email is mgary1963@yahoo.co.uk
I look for to hear from you.. Bye ; )

-http://reading.gumtree.com/reading/59/23449759.html

-http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?view=contact&pid=683343891

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

507 mgary mgary1963@yahoo.co.uk 81.141.107.135
Host name: host81-141-107-135.wlms-broadband.com

Geobytes to Southhampton, UK (70%)
IPillions to UK

google of email returns 2 hits:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mgary1963%40yahoo.co.uk&btnG=Google+Search

appears to be someone named Gary Morris, in UK:
-http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?view=contact&pid=683343891

81.141.107.135 does not appear too be a proxy

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

509 transitions amy.kosinski@transitionsamerica.org 24.26.65.137

Host name: 242665hfc137.tampabay.res.rr.com

Geobytes to Clearwater, Florida (99%) near Tampa
IPillions to Tampa, Florida

google of email returns nothing

google of amy.kosinski returns 35 hits:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=amy.kosinski&btnG=Search

24.26.65.137 does not appear to be a proxy, but is a website, “Transitions of America”
about SO Housing:
-http://24.26.65.137/

equal justice

Plese aprove her right away. This is a brand new friend of mine. She is with a group that is just starting and is hoping to open up sex offender housing in Fl.

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

done

equal justice

you da MAN!!!!

gratefulhoo
SOSEN Staff

Possible member from Virginia on the way - email is JCurry87@comcast.net. I’ve emailed several times with him. Seems like a good guy. Convicted at age 17 of “Crimes against Nature” with a willing 16 year old. He is 21 now and is very interested in fighting! An intelligent, college-bound kid whose future is now shot. He just discovered AWA yesterday and is freaking a little.

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff

He is IN LL!

billm

possible info on person awaiting membership norcalatver

norcalatver
Senior Member

Registered: Mar 2003
Location: sacramento
Posts: 284

norcalatver

Status: Full Member
Currently: Offline
Real name: Dave Young
Joined: 05/08/2005
RVing since: N/A
No. of posts: 55 ( average posts per day: < 1 ) View Posts | Notify Me of New Posts
Location: Sacramento
Website: N/A71.143.7.208

There are several david young’s on calif registry.

billm

little more on norcalatver

-http://www.exriders.com/vbb/member.php?s=86d46bd972d551cc96045556797689ca&action=getinfo&userid=7003

Profile For norcalatver Search for all posts by this user.

Date Registered: 03-13-2003
Status: Senior Member
Total Posts: 284 (0.15 posts per day)
Last Post: 05-06-2008 01:04 AM
Rims from other atv fit trailblazer?
Contact norcalatver: Click here to email norcalatver
Send norcalatver a Private Message!
Homepage:
ICQ Number:
AOL Instant Messenger Handle:
Yahoo Instant Messenger Handle:
Birthday June 19

For some reason I can’t access calif registry right now, but when i checked yesterday, there is a david young with june 19 birthdate.

billm

Calif sex offender registry

YOUNG,DAVID THOMAS
VILLAGE PARK CT
ORANGEVALE 95662 SACRAMENTO
Birthdate 6-19

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

516 pecotrain ms.miller2u@yahoo.com 65.10.2.123 May 16, 2008, 06:59:36 PM
Host name: adsl-10-2-123.mia.bellsouth.net

Geobytes to Miami, Florida (96%)
IPillions to Miami, Florida

google of email returns nothing

google of ms.miller2u returns 5 hits:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ms.miller2u&btnG=Search

MySpace pages for 2 women, one in Maryland, 1 in London…

google of pecotrain returns 61 hits, kind of vague:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pecotrain&btnG=Google+Search

google of pecotrain +florida returns 6 hits, still vague:
-http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pecotrain+%2Bflorida&btnG=Search

65.10.2.123 does not appear to be a proxy

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff

517 Veritas any.mouse@live.com 71.111.238.75

Host name: pool-71-111-238-75.rlghnc.dsl-w.verizon.net

Geobytes to Durham, North Carolina (99%)
IPillions to Durham, North Carolina

google of email returns nothing

71.111.238.75 does not appear to be a proxy

static

“pecotrain”- that’s funny. When I was but a lad, one of my favorite TV shows was The Dukes of Hazzard. And my favorite character (other than Daisy, of course) was Roscoe P. Coltraine, the bumbling deputy. He was always getting on the cb and saying “This is Roscoe P. Coltraine, blah blah…” To my seven-year-old ears, I thought he was saying “This is Roscoe Pecotrain…” I wonder if this “pecotrain” person is trying to use ‘ol Roscoe’s name, but making the same mistake I did as a child… Of course ‘ol Roscoe WAS a law enforcement officer- wonder what THAT says about this member?…hmm…

Posted by Boycott Amazon at 05:31:51 | Permalink | Comments (1) »

She went through sheer hell to be COO of Sosen, just who do you think you are?

letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

How About an Emergency Teleconference
« on: February 27, 2008, 01:11:10 PM »

I think we should act on this AZ & PJ security problem ASAP.

My idea is to just go ahead and delete that 130 members and if they want back in they can re-apply. Most of them never visit in the first place so, nothing lost. For those who lurkers and trolls or whatever you want to call them. Bye bye.

Also, For new members, if they have a yahoo or g-mail address used for membership, I say reject it. I’ve been on a lot of sites where they require a legitimate e-mail address. ISP only.

I know, some will bitch and complain but it’s for the good of the group.

Lets

lindape54
SOSEN/CEO
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 01:37:22 PM »

I think we have to go about this a little different Rod For instance Isee that Wayne boweres, Betty from Therapy key and some of the ladies from my amily group are on that list.

It took me YEARS to be able to verilize what I was going through.I was paralyzed with fear. I was just like a sponge for a while reading everything I could but never posted. And look at me now LOL

We need to talk about this befor we it the delete button

There has to be a happy medium

letsgetreal50
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 01:41:02 PM »

Linda, other than hitting the delete button, the only other “happy medium” I can think of is to start a fund drive to collect monies in order to hire an attorney and sue the pants off of them.

Lets

static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 11:33:35 PM »

Has there been some recent security breach that I’m unaware of? I think that the staff that handles security is doing a pretty good job, and will get even better over time. Look at corrupted justice- they have a much more open forum than we do. They just accept that trolls are a part of life and take steps to keep their inner workings off the forum. Then they deal with any unruly trolls when they need to. We can’t be as open as they are, but we can avoid becoming too paranoid. Just keep improving security, keep sensitive info off the forum, and eliminate problem members quickly. We don’t have a “big” case against them- yeah, they steal posts from our forum. But we do the same to their forum sometimes- so what?

Individuals who get harassed DO have a cause for legal action, as Jan is proving, but SOSEN as a whole? Not really. I’m just not very afraid of these goons as far as SOSEN is concerned. I’m certainly a little afraid of them attacking me personally, but SOSEN isn’t as vulnerable as a group, as some of us are individually. I noticed that tisarose has her email address posted on one of the threads- that is what puts individual in harm’s way. In fact, I think I’ll delete the post and send her a PM explaining why, if staff agrees. And if the trolls try to hack us, then we DO have good cause for legal action. But just lurking? Not a big deal, IMO.

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #4 on: Today at 09:37:50 AM »

Static, the point here is that you may feel differently if YOU were the one misquoted and called a pedophile lover etc.
It is the point that they are stealing directly from our forum and twisting it and publishing it.
I am QUITE aware that we cannot ever get ALL the spy’s out. Won’t happen. I am not going to argue any of these points.
It is not worth it. I am just really disappointed that you said such disparaging things in the forum.

lobster1138
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:33:23 AM »

as far as the server goes, NO, there has been no breach

and by that i mean no one has hacked into our server…


equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #7 on: Today at 02:17:12 PM »

I am sorry. I thought I made it clear that it was re posting of our forum on to an AZ site
Cheryl Griffith and Rod Wagner teach how to deceive readers
this was a BRAND NEW ADDITION TO OPERATIONSOROARFUL.

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static
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #8 on: Today at 04:17:13 PM »

Ok- so I get on the ol’ forum today, and find that I have a PM. I read it and because of what it contained, I came immediately to this thread. When I read the PM and this thread, I found out that somehow I’ve posted something that was “out-of-line, offensive, and toally uncalled-for; and according to this thread, “desparaging”. This was utter bull-hockey, so I got a little angry and shot off a response that would’ve peeled the paint from a barn… I don’t normally acknowledge bullcrap, but this time it came from someone I love and respect, so I was hurt and angry. Apparently I was angrier than I thought because I couldn’t seem to post it (twice). Must’ve been God looking out for me, because I’m sure I would’ve been banned if that post had seen the light of day. I realized that there was a problem with my connection, so I went offline for a minute. When I got back online, I decided to read the “offensive” post to see if maybe I had been offensive inadvertently. Then I read the response. Now I’m really pissed! But I will be more civil here than in the response I originally tried to post.

I’m sorry, but in a nut-shell EJ, you are just plain wrong… Both in the thread that you started and especially in how you are dealing with me. I wrote in the same manner I’ve been writing since joining this forum. I was neither offensive, nor out-of-line back then. In fact you all gave me lots of kudos for my opinions and writing. So, what’s changed? Nothing except for the fact that I had the audacity to disagree with you. What REALLY happened was that you found out about AZ writing some crap and got all bent out of shape over it. This caused you to over-react, bigtime. You know it’s true… And you’re still over-reacting by responding to me the way you did. Frankly, you owe me an apology. I won’t hold my breath for one though, because if my earlier posts pissed you off, this one’s gonna give you fits for sure. I’ll do my best to explain myself, my response, and why I firmly believe you are wrong in this. The only thing I ask is that you read what I actually write and “hear” what I’m trying to say. I’m asking you to put your emotions aside and LISTEN for a minute… What I wrote wasn’t offensive. If it had been, believe me I would’ve been told off by more than just you. You are well-loved around here, and the fact that you were the only one to “notice” any offense is a pretty good indication that there WAS nothing offensive.

I have to leave the house for a few minutes. I’ll finish responding when I get back (if I’m not banned and deleted by then…)

I just ask that everyone (especially EJ) suspend judgment until I make my case. If everyone agrees I was an offensive jerk, I’ll leave quietly (Hell- I may go ahead and leave anyway).

equal justice
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #9 on: Today at 05:19:47 PM »

Static,
I have no desire to fight with you. I have no desire to fight period. The fact of the matter is that I am the COO here. That position alone merits me some respect. You showed me and my position NO respect when you posted in the forum that I should not have posted that thread. Who the heck do you think you are to tell me what should and should NOT be posted in the forum…what our membership should or should not know, and if they should have a voice in a decision making process or not. How dare you talk about my deleting people “willy-nilly”. Telling the membership that ANYTHING could happen in this forum in a “willy nilly” fashion is scaring them more than any AZ spy would.

I simply told the members what had happened and asked their opinion on ONE possible solution. There was nothing paranoid about it. It was a fact…a cold hard fact!

If you had a problem with me and the thread I created, it should have been discussed via pm or in staff only…NOT IN THE OPEN FORUM. Linda and I have some authority here and being treated with some respect in the forum needs to go with that.

I would NEVER kick someone out of SOSEN for disagreeing with me. That is nuts. It would have to be awfully extreem before I would kick someone out just on my own say so anyway. It should always be a joint decision in my opinion, NOBODY in SOSEN should have unilateral say in something like that.
I will be happy to listen to what you have to say…but I do suggest you do it with some respect. I would NEVER have talked to you like that on the general forum…and if I had a case of temporary insanity and DID, I would apologize publicly for it later.

I was really pissed about your post and insulted. I still am. I, however, DO NOT hold grudges and see no reason, at this point, why we cannot get past this without difficulty.


letsgetreal50
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #10 on: Today at 05:45:41 PM »

May I suggest a telephone call between the two and I’m sure all can be worked out. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


static
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #11 on: Today at 06:13:37 PM »

Ok-back now. I read the thread in question and it is clear that good ol’ AlJones has his little meddling hands in this- so now I understand what’s going on. If he can’t be “influential” by becoming a staff member, I guess he figured he’d do it by stirring up some crap amongst staff. Jeez he’s in his sixties, still playing teenage “he said, she said” games! The funny thing is that my post was mostly in response to his assinine suggestions in the first place, not an attack on you, EJ. But, since we’re all here and you’ve so publicly called me on the carpet, I’ll respond anyway. Understand that some of my disagreement IS with your post, but some of it is with what some of the other people were saying. I’m gonna trust you to recognize the difference.

1. Ok-so AZ stole from our forum… Nothing new there. Why post as if there has been a new attack? It’s obvious from the members’ responses that they saw it that way. Hell- I saw it that way. If you want more participation, you don’t want to scare everyone. Yes-our members are grown-us, but some of them may have their own reasons for not osting. Telling them that AZ is waiting around every corner to use their words against them just gives them more reason to remain silent.

2. Whether anyone agrees or not, the forum is NOT the place to strategize about how to handle AZ. The very fact that they are most likely listening in is reason enough not to openly discuss our plans. Whether our members are able to “handle” it is irrelevant. If AZ is here, it’s a bad idea to tip our hand.

3. To the best of my knowledge, there aren’t any current attacks on our forum happening in the first place. All I’ve heard so far is that you saw one of their posts, and got pissed (understandable). This doesn’t constitute an “attack”. Hell- we post about them all the time. Are we attacking them?

4. Trolls are a fact of life. We can reduce the problem, but they are going to show up from time to time. As long as we are careful, they will be mostly a nuisance. That’s not to say that when they have an active smear campaign going on ( as they do for several of us) that it is no big deal. I’m talking about the forum, not individuals. And when they attempt to hack us, that’s a different story, too. But as far as them stealing posts and commenting on them- all we can do is do our best to minimize the damage.

5. That thread was quickly devolving into Al’s favorite refrain- “I’m the only one doing anything around here. Let’s gripe and complain and castigate everyone who doesn’t post. Or better yet, delete them.” In reality, most of what he’s been accomplishing lately is griping and starting fights. And I’m getting a little tired of it.

6. We don’t know how many of the members who don’t post are trolls. But we DO know that some of them are VIP’s. How many other potential VIP’s have heard about us and want to check us out, but don’t wish to be affiliated officially? Do we really want to take the chance of deleting them? We should delete suspicious members, but should be equally careful to not let our suspicions get out of control.

7. You found an AZ post that pissed you off. So, in response you started a thread which, if they are here, will most certainly be used against us. Hence my disagreement with the thread as a whole. It just shouldn’t be there, IMO.

8. Threatening members with deletion is probably not the best way to encourage more participation. In fact, it’s probably the quickest way to lose members (both active and inactive).

9. I’m getting sick of this “If you’re not posting, screw you” attitude. We are here for the members, not the other way around. It’s good to ask for more participation, but the constant “do as we dictate, or screw off” attitude needs to stop. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t our name say something like “education and support”? Is it not possible that some members use this forum for just that? What’s so awful about them coming here and getting informed? Yes- our job is a mostly thankless task, but no one is being forced to do anything they don’t want to do. Besides, we don’t know whose life is being saved by them being able to come here and see that they are not alone. Do we really want a suicide on our consciences because we deleted some harmless, possibly shy member in a “troll round-up”? Come on- some staff members don’t participate all that often, but when they do they pack a whallop. And no one knows what members or staff do offline to help in the fight. When someone is obviousy a troll, delete unmercifully. But when in doubt, it’s silly (and a bit insulting to our members) to threaten it.

10. Did it not occur to anyone that if AZ was reading that thread, they surely got plenty of jollies from it? Not only do they plainly see that they are having an impact, they get to make fun of us some more, which will inevitably get back to us. Ten we’ll have to do another post like that one, and the cycle will continue eternally. “Don’t feed the trolls”.

11. My responses were to the entire thread, not just you, EJ. I think (or at least I’m hoping) that Al got you stirred up, and caused you to take it so personally. Let me state very clearly here and now- You are a wonderful person, IMO. I never thought it was possible to love someone I’ve never met, but I can honestly say that I love each and every one of you (especially you EJ. The heart that made it hurt so much to see the things AZ said is the same heart that makes you so special. It’s rare to meet a person who wears their heart on their sleeve. It’s not a weakness, but a strength of character).

12. I think my responses to the thread were to-the-point and valid. You asked for opinions, and you got many. Mine just happened to be contrary to what you wanted. That’s no crime, and it’s certainly not out-of-line. In fact, it was more on-topic than most of the “let’s complain about inactive members” crowd. I said nothing insulting or offensive, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. I think I did cuss a little, though….

13. We can’t very well complain about society’s knee-jerk reactions if we engage in them ourselves. We also can’t complain about AZ lurking if we are obviously doing the same to them. I think that if we don’t have a standing policy of lurking on AZ’s forums, we should. But we should also expect that they will do the same- and act accordingly. Delete them when we detect them, but always assume they are here either way. These peole are not like us. We measure success in changed laws and changed minds. They measure success by how much emotional damage they inflict. If they read that thread, the only impression they will have is that they are succeeding. This will only spur them on to more bullshit behavior. Any attacks on individuals, any smear campaigns, any attempted hacking should be dealt with immediately and harshly. But trolls should be dealt with secretly. They feed on stirring up trouble and getting attention. If we give them what they want, they are winning. Yes- I know that the trolls are the same people doing the smearing and harassing, but their troll activities should just be laughed at, if any attention is given to them at all. We can take it seriously amongst staff, but we should NEVER give them the idea that they are scaring us or having any effect.

14. We can’t very well complain about society seeing a “pedophile behind every tree” if we are going to resort to the same mindset when it comes to AZ. I’ll go out on a limb here and say that I don’t think they have more than two spies here on their best day. They are not nearly as powerful as they like to think they are. And they’re slowly losing what little power they had. It’s not a good time to let them think they’re winning. Honestly, they are petty people with a petty ax to grind. And that’s all they are. They continue because they get “results” and quite a bit of free advertising, I might add). When we basically broadcast to them that they have touched a nerve, it gives them exactly what they are looking for.

15. (this is the one that’s really gonna piss everyone off): My thoughts and my opinions are my own. I won’t be called on the carpet for simply disagreeing- especially when you asked for opinions in the first place. You have let your emotions dictate how you handled this and you have handled it wrong. Feel free to argue with me, and debate our differing views (heck- I may learn something and change my mind), but I’m not Al- I don’t play petty “thread wars”, and neither should you. You responded in that thread, this one, and a PM. That’s a bit of overkill, don’tcha think? I would never attack you, and you shoul know that by now. My motives are pure in this and if I ever unintentionally give offense, tell me and I’ll make it right. I don’t think that I did in this case. But if all I’m here for is to toe the line and do as I’m told, I’m gone.

You owe me an apology.

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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #12 on: Today at 06:26:56 PM »

CJ and I had a blowout on the old National forum. We both got very angry. A simple 5 minute phone call and we became good friends with a great deal of respect for each other. That’s all it takes. Boom, water under the bridge and onward with expending our energies in the right direction.

Lets

static
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #13 on: Today at 06:44:48 PM »

Well, that’s nice and all, but I didn’t turn anything into a “blowout”. I voiced my opinion when asked, got publicly thumped, and responded. I’m not responding on the forum, because I will not play into AZ’s and Al’s hands any further. Everyone else can do what they please, but if anyone here had any kind of strategic sense, that entire thread would be deleted. It has turned into an easy target for AZ, and didn’t belong there in the first place. I gave my reasons for disagreeing quite clearly. Nothing I said on the forum or here has been offensive, insulting, or out-of-line. I love EJ, and am not trying to fight with anyone. She says she should be respected for being COO of SOSEN. I humbly disagree. EJ- Your position in SOSEN has nothing to do with the amount of respect due you, and by saying it that way, you sell yourself short. You deserve respect for the constant work you put into this, the way you care so deeply about people who the rest of the world sees as unworthy, the fact that when someone threatens your “family” you go after them with both guns blazing, your sensitive heart, your willingness to take a public stand and put yourself in harm’s way for us, and on and on and on… THOSE are the reasons you deserve respect, and I, for one respect you more than you will ever know (I even respect you enough to be honest with you when I disagree, and when I think you’re dealing with me harshly for no reason, give you the benefit of the doubt about your reasons(which is why I choose to see this as Al’s handy-work, and not yours). Kinda wish I got the same courtesy, though…


static
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #14 on: Today at 06:50:30 PM »

Since it appears that this thread has become a popular one, I’ll get to the reason I logged on today in the first place:

Roseline2Avalon is my sister in Virginia. If I’m still allowed to be here, I’d like to humbly request that she be admitted to membership. She may not post much- I don’t know- but she’s no troll, so let’s not delete her, ok?… evil6

static
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #15 on: Today at 06:53:10 PM »

Sheesh! Does anyone still wonder why we have such a hard time getting things done around here? With all these petty disputes, it’s amazing anything gets done at all. I’m done with this… It’s not my argument anyway…

equal justice
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #16 on: Today at 07:16:52 PM »

This is my 5th aniversary. It is a record for me to be married this long. There are many things I could respond to in Statics long post. I am not yet sure if I will tho, as I already stated my position. Yes I asked for an opinion on if we should delete members who have not posted. We have many who have never posted at all. Thats the only opinion I asked for.

I did not ask for an opinion on if I should have posted in National or not. I did not ask for an opinion on my mental health (paranoid), I did not ask to be accused of being lame brained enough to do ANYTHING “willy nilly”. I did not ask for a long disertation on the validity of my dislike of AZ posting our forum contents on their site. I only asked for opinion regarding eliminating people who don’t post (and it would have been done in a systematic way anyway, NOT willy nilly)
and if the members thought it was a valid way to try to get spy’s out of our forum.

If you are going to address different people in one post, it would be a good idea to use their names in your response.

As it was, I was very embarassed that a staff member took me to task on a public forum for doing something that I am quite entitiled to do. Again, I say you should have done it in a more private maner and stuck to the topic of the thread in your response.

You can stop with all the silly, if I am still going to be here stuff. As I said, no one gets kicked off for disagreeing. But some respect would be nice. You have NO idea of the sheer HELL I went thru to become/stay COO of SOSEN and how hard it was to hang on and suffer Shirley’s abuse. I did not get to be COO by sitting on my butt. I EARNED it. ANd once I became COO I continued to earn it. That is what I mean by respect of my position. It was very hard to earn any respect in our forum for me too as Shirley did every thing in her power to turn every member against me. This is not paranoia, it is fact, just ask Linda and Coolrich. I was lied about and defamed at every turn, on the forum and in private emails that are still being sent out from Shirley and her group. I hung in and fought hard for what ever respect I have here and therefore I place great value on it. I thought I was pretty cool headed on the forum in my response to you. I saved my anger for private. As far as I am concerned nothing more needs to be said on the matter. It is over and done with.

static
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #17 on: Today at 07:54:32 PM »

Quote from: equal justice on Today at 05:19:47 PM

Who the heck do you think you are to tell me what should and should NOT be posted in the forum…what our membership should or should not know, and if they should have a voice in a decision making process or not.

Who I think I am is a Staff- member and moderator of this forum. As such, my first inclination was to delete the whole stupid thread, but -out of respect for you- I didn’t. Instead, I replied and was NOT in any way disrespectful of you or anyone else. I also am pretty sure that I’m someone who has a right to their opinion and doesn’t take kindly to you dictating just what I’m allowed to give an opinion on. If your thread was so damned topic-specific, why didn’t you yell at the members who were using the thread to piss and moan about membership participation. Not to mention Al’s completely inappropriate “menstrual” comment. Yet another reason that your argument that you only wanted opinions on whether to ban people or not fails. But just in case I WAS so off-topic that no one could see where I stand on this, I’ll give the four-word answer that your “rules” of the thread dictate: Don’t delete please, Ma’am. That’s all anyone would be able to say if they followed your “rule” to only answer the question, then shut up.

The truth is that you are over-reacting to this, and when my explanation takes the wind out of your sails, you then say you are done with this.

I’ve given a very thorough explanation of my reasons for my post. I’ve attempted to reconcile with you on this. In fact, I’ve done way more than I should have to. As far as this “controversy” goes, I don’t give a damn what your position is. I’ve stated very clearly that I respect you a great deal (although I’m steadily losing respect the more this goes on). My respect for your position has nothing to do with this, as I did NOT show any disrespect toward you in the first place (as you would plainly see, if you were willing to). In fact, my post got people thinking. That IS what you wanted, right? Surely you didn’t just want your own opinion parroted back at you… As far as any “offensive” writings of mine- (psss… hey- you’re the only one who saw it…)

I sincerely apologize if anything I wrote was able to be misunderstood and opened me up to this attack on your part. I do care about your feelings, and I do respect you. It’s becoming very clear that the feeling isn’t mutual.

So, you’re “done with this”, huh?… I’m not-I won’t be done with this until that thread is deleted. It is harmful to SOSEN, no matter what the original intent was. I’d do it myself, but I’m waiting to see if anyone has the integrity to do the right thing (hopefully you will delete it yourself, EJ). This is not about any stupid argument. It’s certainly not a pissing contest (you’d win, hands down). It’s about that post being a nice target for our enemies. That’s what it has always been about to me, and this stupid argument just muddies the waters. Anyone who reads the post and what I’ve written about it here can plainly and obviously see that SOSEN is what I’m concerned about here. I have no desire to “win”- that would only make an enemy of you, and I don’t want that at all. But, at some point you’re gonna have to open your eyes and see what’s going on.

I also won’t be done with this until either I get an apology, or until I get sick of this bullshit and leave. Period… I’ve done nothing to deserve this and you know it. The question is- do you have the integrity to admit you screwed up and went off half-cocked? I’ve admitted and apologized to several people when I’ve offended them on this forum (see CJBlackwidow’s intro)- I don’t have a problem admitting when I’m wrong. You obviously do. I’m sorry if this isn’t respectful enough of your position, but when you do someone wrong, you should apologize. I respect you AS A PERSON enough to believe you will give it some thought and make this right.

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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #18 on: Today at 08:00:14 PM »

I posted a “truce” statement on the forum for all to see so that the respect you’ve earned here isn’t diminished by this dumb fight. But, that thread needs to go away quickly, and you need to make this right with me. Sorry but I’m pissed, and unlike you- I have good reason.

Even if you read the thread, you can see that a lot of the members were worried abut being deleted. I’m right about this, but don’t delete it for that reason- do it because it is the right thing to do for SOSEN.

equal justice
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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #19 on: Today at 09:03:28 PM »

As I said before, this is my aniversary. I am kinda busy this evening. Dont have the time to do anything right now. I suggest you leave the whole thing until tomorrow.

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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2008, 11:34:42 PM »

I’m not quite sure what to do about this problem, but I don’t think it would be a good idea to delete 180 peoples accounts just to stop PJ and AZ.

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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2008, 11:43:21 PM »

We are not going to bronkv. It was a question, a thought. Some may be deleted, not all by any means

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Re: How About an Emergency Teleconference
« Reply #33 on: Today at 03:05:54 AM »

Quote from: equal justice on February 28, 2008, 10:59:24 PM

OK Static, lets see one more time if we can work this out.
If you want m e to apologize to you I will. Ok I apologize. I am not sure just what I am apologizing FOR but I apologize.

As Linda and I both have said, there is NOTHING wrong with having that thread in National and you do not go on the board and say that it should not be there when the COO started it and the CEO supports it. I am not going to go into each word that you wrote and why it was offensive, I hate typing.

When I moved the thread back to National I took out your and My posts in it regarding this issue.
The rest was what I said to you in a PM which is where this whole conversation should have taken place.

We are NEVER going to agree on this issue. I think I am being the bigger person here in saying lets let go of this.

I really don’t see why you keep escalating it.

I do not want to see you quit. If you feel that SOSEN and your work here is not worth staying on, then do what you feel you need to do.

My phone # is 239-887-1955 and I will be up for about 10 more minutes if you want to call and talk about all this

So what am I supposed to do now? Accept your insincere apology? Or believe that you are trying to “work this out” by accusing me of escalating it? If you had wanted to handle this in PM’s, one would think you would not have responded to me here…. AND in a PM…. AND on the forum……. And frankly, passive-aggressive dismissals like “I don’t have time to deal with this” all the while implicitly blaming me for this mess demands a response. I find it convenient that the very posts that prove my point about not being disrespectful of you are now gone. All that’s left are the posts here, which were posted after this whole debacle got started. Not to worry though- anyone who reads the thread on the forum after my one remaining post can easily see that the entire tone of the thread changed for the better after I posted. How can this be?… Is it within the realm of possibility that I maybe made some sense?… Not bad for a “disrespectful, out-of-line, offensive, disappointing” moron who can’t control his temper. I could have deleted the thread, but left it where it was out of respect for you. Respect you continue to deny I that have. I hardly think that I could’ve escalated this very much considering you had already called me on the carpet in a PM….. on the forum….. AND here….. before I even logged on today. I neither started this, nor did I escalate it- other than that I refused to be attacked by you without cause, and answered every one of your complaints. I admit I DID get disrespectful in the last few posts here, but SOSEN has taught me to stand up for myself- and I damn well will when I’m faced with someone trying to intimidate me into silence. Yes- I know that you’re the COO… Does that mean that I am to shut up and do as I’m told- especially if I disagree? If so, perhaps you’re a little too prone to seeing disrespect where ther is none. Your response to me, however, (which has also conveniently disappeared) WAS disrespectful. Are you trying to tell me that the only people worthy of respect around here are board members? Are you REALLY saying that?! I hate to state the obvious, but you don’t exactly sign my paychecks. In fact your authority over me (tenuous at best) only exists on this forum. This is neither a paid positionm nor is it one where I have to censor my views just because you don’t like them. If you truly feel that I’m being disrespectful, boot me out… I would hate to leave SOSEN, but it’s fair to say that it would be a two-way loss. So boot me out. Otherwise, quit using your authority to try to intimidate me into silence. And that is indeed what you are doing to me. I ask again- what have I done to deserve this?

I’ll play devil’s advocate for a moment and assume that I WAS offensive and all the other things you repeatedly said I was… Ok- I believe Al’s little “menstrual” comment was not only offensive, but sexist, as well as off-topic. Did he, pray tell, get a full day of this little hell-ride you’ve taken me on? Before you say something dumb like “Well, Al’s not a staff-member” I ask you- were Lets’ comments about members not participating on-topic? didn’t those comments lead to a string of members replying to that and not to your question? Did he get treated the way I did for not sticking to the topic at hand? Face it- there isn’t much you can say to defend the way you treated me. You used an atom-bomb to swat a fly. But THIS fly has a big mouth, and SOSEN has taught me to not be afraid to use it when I’m attacked for no reason. You and I both know that the thread was getting out of hand. Not to state the obvious yet again, but after my “offensive” comments it seemed to me that members who rarely post all in a sudden began posting. Wow- maybe they were just waiting around for some “offensive” jerk to post “desparaging” comments (or maybe I just made a helluva lot of sense). No one but you seemed to even notice how “offensive” my response was. Don’t you find that just a little odd? Isn’t it at least a little possible that you took things the wrong way? And over-reacted? And it would just be rude (or maybe offensive)of me to point out that most seemed to agree with me (althoug at least one of their posts was deleted too). If you hadn’t been blinded by what you perceived to be a horrible attack on you, you may have noticed that I was responding to the entire tone of the thread. Not to get another pissing-contest started, but it was actually Al and Lets’ comments that prompted my response. And apparently Lets changed his mind after my post (he’ll correct me if I’m wrong, but he did seem a little more calm). The only problem I had with you was that I thought this was something best handled in staff. You are free to disagree- but you are not free to dress me down for what amounts to nothing. Your response to me, however WAS offensive, and I made the tragic mistake of letting you know it. This is the sum total of my part in this. You obviously failed to notice my many, many explanations. You also apparently didn’t notice the many kind things I said about you. How that translated to “escalation” or being “irrational” is beyond me.

It is obvious from reading the thread that no matter what your intentions were, members did indeed get the impression you and everyone else were threatening them with deletion if they didn’t post. It is also obvious that most agreed with me on the subject of the trolls. You wanted opinions- the net concensus is that trolls are not nearly as big a problem to the membership as it is to you. I’m sorry that you didn’t get the response you were hoping for, but I won’t bear the brunt of your displeasure unless I have actually done something to deserve it. You and I (and everyone else) know that I don’t deserve it. Considering the way I’ve conducted myself on this forum, I think i at least deserved the benefit of the doubt. I love and respect you, whether you can see it or not. I love and respect you enough to tell you when you’re flat out wrong. It’s not pleasant to be the one bearing the brunt of your anger, but no one else, apparently, is going to respect you enough to be honest with you about this. Speaking of respect- you should never worry about the membership not respecting you ever again. Yes- I know you’ve been through hell, but you d are respected on this forum. That’s not just touchy-feely talk either. I can prove it. Read the thread in question. Every member on that thread was following you like lemmings. That should show you how respected and valued you are around here. Until I reared my ugly head, you had them in the palm of your hand. You’ve earned that kind of trust and respect, IMO. And the only reason I wasn’t in the palm of your hand, was that i respected you enough to believe you could handle me disagreeing. You have been respected througout this whole ordeal, if you’d just open your eyes and SEE it. In case you haven’t noticed- until my last few posts when I was very angry and frustrated, I was even respectful of you (although firm in my opinion) when disagreeing. As for the last few posts, I owe you and Linda an apology. My temper was getting the best of me and neither of you deserved some of the things I said. As for the other posts, if I were to apologize for those, it would be dishonest and disrespectful of your intellegence. So unless you can point out where I was offensive in any way, I’ll have to just keep believing that I have nothing to apologize for in those posts. I wish this haden’t happened, but I won’t take the blame for it.

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Friday, October 31, 2008

Deserving what AZ gives us in a perfect world

flowergirl_1970
Member

SoHopeful
« on: December 18, 2007, 09:10:42 PM »

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I’m starting this post with a disclaimer - I’m not mad at anyone, just concerned. My post about the interview David Hess is doing related to the label Cheryl used to describe SoHopeful as SoHateful was deleted, which is fine, so I’ll post it here. What kind of message does that label send about this organization? I think its fine to use that label in staff, but why is it necessary to bring disputes between staff/BOD and another collegial organization into the main boards? It reflects poorly on this organization as a whole. It was very unprofessional and inappropriate, IMHO, and I’m very disappointed.

equal justice
COO, Media Director
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: SoHopeful
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 09:28:39 PM »

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As I told you privatly, we have attempted multiple times to “make nice” with SOhopeful and it is just not possible. They despise us and think we deserve whatever AZ gives us because we are a group of radicals.

Why are you posting in staff? You RESIGNED staff because I suggested we make revisions to articles in a more timly manor and YOU requested Tim remove you from the staff boards. He must have not done that….I will help you out on that. The relationship with Sohopeful is a complicated one and MANY other people on SOSEN have made similar statements. Perhaps in a perfect world I would not have called them SOhateful, but, this is not a perfect world, I am not a perfect person, and you would need to have a hell of a lot more information to make that judgement.

Now, I would agree with your assessment if I said that in a public forum like a radio broadcast or on TV, or something like that, but what I said is very true. IF you had a problem with it, you could very easly have PM’d me to discuss it. You did it the way you did, on the board, because your are pissed. Nuff said.

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Book38
SOSEN Secretary
SOSEN Staff
Member

Re: SoHopeful
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 10:25:37 PM »

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You don’t know what went on over there. Cheryl and I do. FG, I am and I know Cheryl are not attacking you. However, Sohopeful IS NO LONGER fighting the same fight that we are. In fact, since the inclusion of the PROBATION OFFICER being let run the boards, the whole direction has changed. They now want all RSO’s to except their fate as it is metted out by law. All you need to do to find out what I am saying is true is just go and read Hopeso, Christien and Carolyn’s posts. That will tell you volumes!!!

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